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  They're turning up the heat

  by Winston Smith :>D in

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  well, after four elder meetings at 2 hours a pop, they sill want to get together with me.

  the last meeting i told them to give me scriptural backing that disproves that the 70 years ended when babylon fell as spoken of at jer 25: 10,11. i also asked for scriptures to prove why they insist on 607 rather than 587 as the fall of jerusalem.

  they said they would do that and get back to me.

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  uriah

  The relplies here are all sound especially those that urge caution. It may simplify issues if you ask the question 'What do I want?'

  This is a very difficult question so think about carefully.

  Lets say that it is to leave the WT and take your wife with you and just fade away. No DF or DA'ing.

  If that is what you want then the next question is 'how will I achieve it?'

  Firstly, stop stirring the waters and let them settle, never mind 607 and all that, your goal is to fade with your wife, not disprove any doctrines. Keep focused on what you want.

  Anything that distracts from your goal, cut it loose. Don't be baited. Use suggestions posted here by others that help.

  Write your goal down and when you can reasonably expect to achieve it, then timeline it backwards, 1 year, 6 months, 3 months, 1 month, 3 weeks for example. Work out where you expect to be at each stage and the steps you will take to get there. Check progress regularly and alter your plans/steps etc., as needed.

  The main thing is to keep focused and do whatever you have to reach your goal, even if it means having a 'humble attitude'.

  Hope it helps.
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  The Invisible 'Ones'

  by uriah in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i had an insight the other day, you know the type of thing - you walk past something everyday and suddenly you become aware of it.. well, many on this board probably have come to the same conclusion so if i am repeating it - sorry.

  what is it i hear you shout.

  ok.. in my experience, i hardly saw any jw's except at meetings or meetings for fm.

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  uriah

  I am reminded by these posts that they only times any elders phoned (except to maybe ask something for themselves) was to ask for my report slip. I remember being really irritated by it on one occasion and so said I had no time to report. The response, 'Oh dear, long sigh'.

  The problem with all this brotherlyness is that it takes place mainly in the mind of the listener, or reader of 'spiritual food(tm)' I rememeber the feeling of getting all enthused and that warm glow you get when you are all in it together and helping out, hall building and the like. It was real for me, but then I began to see the cracks and realised that other 'brothers' did not walk the talk and most of them hated each other. I began to realise that it was a one-way street and nothing I did for others would be returned in anyway by them - not that that is what you do it for, but the realisation that if I needed anything it would not be forthcoming, all the while it was 'Thankyou brother Mug and I'll have that as well while you are at it - sucker, I mean brother'. The whole concept of the glabal brotherhood is false and based on emotionalism and hype with a good helping of sickly-sweet vaucuous jargon.
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  How true is this about JW's?

  by Beans in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

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  what is sociologically interesting about jehovah's witnesses is that they derive psychological satisfaction from perceiving a coherant pattern in there beliefs regardless of possible inner inconsistencies, and that, even if they do notice inconssistencies, they can abrogate personal responsibility for there own belief in the safe conviction that someone, somewhere in the watchtower society must be able to solve the problem.. by james beckford.

  http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com

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  uriah

  This can also be seen at any assembly you like to name. Just after a release hoards of JW's queue up to obtain (for a donation) a book they have not seen and yet will believe whatever it says within it covers. How many people on earth would do that. I used to. Most people buy a book after having read reviews or flicked through the pages in the bookshop. The WTBTS know that whatever they print, eager JW's will fall upon it and say 'Oh how wonderful another 'Loving provision' (tm) from jehovah.'. i can remember doing the same thing, but funnily enough i never actually read past chapter 2 - except at the book study. how ever bad the contents are no-one but no-one will say what is this rubbish.

  Also, at assemblies - circuit ond special day, we used to have free(donation arrangement) coffe and biccies. Now the biccies were okay, cheapish economy versions but the coffe was prepared by the bretheren and sisteren. It was warm brown water. No one would say - 'er john this is vile coffee, we all drank it and thought of the loving provision (tm) and that if it was done by brothers then somehow it was the best you couold get because he is a brother. OOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooo a brother, well thats all right then, drink up brothers.
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  Baptism pre-new questions - signed anything?

  by Phantom Stranger in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was baptised around 1978 - don't remember the date anymore.

  this was before the "organization-centered" baptism questions.

  did i sign anything in order to get baptized?

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  uriah

  I don't remember signing anything but I did have the 'Your word is a lamp to my foot' (Yellow) book signed by the congregation servant as it was then. That was the current book you went through before being 'allowed' to get baptised. it has a special 'sign here' section at the back.
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  The Invisible 'Ones'

  by uriah in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i had an insight the other day, you know the type of thing - you walk past something everyday and suddenly you become aware of it.. well, many on this board probably have come to the same conclusion so if i am repeating it - sorry.

  what is it i hear you shout.

  ok.. in my experience, i hardly saw any jw's except at meetings or meetings for fm.

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  uriah

  I had an insight the other day, you know the type of thing - you walk past something everyday and suddenly you become aware of it.

  Well, many on this board probably have come to the same conclusion so if I am repeating it - sorry. What is it I hear you shout. Ok.

  In my experience, I hardly saw any JW's except at meetings or meetings for FM. Between that time they did not exist. It was like emerging from a fog when going into the KH, the babble, brightlights - familiar things etc., and on going home it was like going back into the fog until the next time.

  Many (all in fact - sorry WT habit) who have been irregular I spoke to, spoke of no-one contacting them, as though they had never existed and on going back to the hall it was as if they had never been away. No-one noticed whether they were there or not.

  The other thing is I saw a JW we know today and, as she could not escape me nor me her, I said 'hello' She asked how we were and I said 'Very well thankyou, everything is bubbling along splendidly' and I was pretty up-beat. I caught a flicker of some expression that I cannot define, but what she heard and saw was not what she expected or maybe hoped for. In her mind I should have been all down in the dumps, dishevelled and hollow-eyed and suffering some great 'thing'. Why? Because when you leave 'Jehovahs People (tm)' that is what you are supposed to look like, after all you go into satan's world of debauchery, vice and gross uncleaness where my wailing and gnashing of teeth is supposed to be. But I wasn't, I couldn't have felt happier nor looked it if I tried. Puzzlement - that is now what I recognise the expression to be. She was puzzled and her brain was saying 'zzzggrrrrzzz does not compute ggzggzgzgzgzzzz should not gzgzgz be happy gzgzg does not have Kingdon Hope(tm) gzgzgzgzzzzz'

  Well, that is my insight for the day, make of it what you will.
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  Annual conventions of Jehovah's Witnesses disrupted and canceled in Russia

  by Elsewhere in

  1. social
  2. current

  http://www.jw-media.org/region/europe/russia/english/releases/intolerance/rus_e030908.htm

  for immediate release.

  september 8, 2003

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  uriah

  This sounds a bit like Germany pre-and during war when (and I stand to be corrected) a mistake was made and the JW were persecuted in error. So, Rutherford seeing a chance to ride the presecution wave (in these remaining months before armageddon) changes from being nice to Mr Hitler to ranting and raving against him with the desired effect, that of the 'wave of persecution' that followed. It's all spin and corporate skullduggery - look what happened in Malawi with the bro & sis getting the heat with brutal persecution for not buying a 2-bit party card for a one party state, whilst in good old Mexico the bro & sis could bribe officials and get themselves a cartillo that said they had done a years military service and were now enrolled in the 'reservists' - all with Bethel nods and winks and say no-mores squire, nudge, nudge.. I remember flogging the Awake (or was it the WT or both) with the article in it - I sold a lot too, just played on the householders sympathy. It's all spin and backhanders.
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  Losing Salvation

  by ClassAvenger in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i witnessed to a jw and he accepted that salvation comes through faith only, and the works come later showing that you are a saved person.

  but he continiously argues that salvation can be lost according to our behavior.

  what do you all say about this?

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  uriah

  I was excerting my brain cell to think about faith and justice and the like and got to thinking that what we have to do is unfair and that this supposed court case about sovereignty is unjust to humans. Consider:

  Satan is grillions of years old (say) old and experienced in deceiving newbie humans

  Adam and eve a few, 10 (say max) when they 'sinned'

  Right so here we are today suffering for what he did and all this pain and suffering is supposed to be proving that man cannot rule himself.

  Average age of man = 70 years.

  Birth to age of consent 18 (in UK)

  Work your butt off until 65 to provide for family

  then you go all old and dribbly and die a horrible slow death called old age

  You get a pitiful 47 years to try and make your mark on society and show you can rule yourself - mainly at weekends unless you work saturday as well. Hardly a longtime.

  Add to that the illnesses, old age and the demon influence all the troubles in the world 24/7 and the JW's say 'see, we can't rule ourselves.'

  We don't live long enough to see anything through to its conclusion and if you do get close to it you die and some pimple brain comes in your place and thinks he has a better idea, trashes your years of work and experience and so it starts again.

  We will never ever prove we can do anything like what the JW's like to sneer at because we never have a level playing field and we don't live long enough.

  With everything stacked against us as it is, how could any observers say it was a fair test - rather like saying you can't run across that feild without me because I am going to blow your legs off.

  Seems fair to me?

  I rest my case m'lud
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  WTS says "There will be no more tradesmen after Armageddon"!

  by ozziepost in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  we've probably all had bad experiences with defective building or repair jobs, but our reactions would never have reached the limit to which the borg has gone.

  in one of the wts' study books, the r&f are told:.

  "with just as much zeal as ever for the house of god's worship, the heavenly high priest jesus christ will see to it that the closing words of zechariah's prophecy are fulfilled: "and there will no more prove to be a canaanite [or, tradesman] in the house of jehovah of armies in that day"- zechariah 14:21. the designation canaanite was synonymous with "tradesman".

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  uriah

  There are those JW's whom love to say that we are going back to the horse and cart and all that tosh and that there would be no more machines, industry etc etc. I would show them the AA (after armageddon) piccies and say 'well how did the clothes get made, who made the metal spade, who will make the sinks and the toilets, the bricks for the houses, saws to cut the wood, your cups and saucers (for tea of course) and the paper for the books and everything you take for granted now you dunderheads' They really P'd me off with their narrow stupidity. They would say soething stupid like 'well jehovah will show us new ways' Yeah right. plonkers.
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  WT Says Demons Kill Children for Revenge!

  by Funchback in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  9/1/1987 watchtower, 'spritism-why the growing interest?

  spiritism-how viewed by god?.

  i called: "jehovah!

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  uriah

  I could write stories like those here. I have really lucid dreams and generally have a good time, I especially like flying as I know I can't get hurt, despite the fact that I am afraid of heights.

  Now, some dreams are not lucid and they are scary as I cannot speak, have 'whisperings in my ears' and feel that the 'D's' are coming for me, I see shapes and feel their breath as they often hiss in my ear. I know what to do, I have to call on Jehovah, so I try and all I can say is JJgrrrrrrrroooooogggrrrmmmmm as I am paralysed (as we are when dreaming - generally) Now being brought up in a climate of fear, death and destruction as witnesses are, I attributed this to demon attack - as one does. Couple this with guilt of being intrigued by my somewhat 'knew\saw that was going to happen' type of spooky happenings throughout my life (and I don't mean your deja vu type stuff) and I was a prime candidate for thinking demons are attacking me.

  To illustrate my lucid dreams, here is one:

  I was on a train going toward a tunnel. I had a fear of the tunnel and knew I did not want to enter it. I thought, well, I'll just wake up and stop it. I couldn't wake myself up and the tunnel was coming closer. What to do? Wifey was asleep next to me and I thought 'I know I'll wake her and tell her to wake me' So I did. With repeated, strangulated cries of 'Wake me up' and thinking 'for pete's sake, wake up woman' she finally did and shook me awake saying 'wake up darling you are having a dream and shouting'. I said 'I know, what took you so long'. Which left her puzzled.

  Anybody have similar dreams or are you all shaking your heads thinking 'What a weirdo, I'm outta here'
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  Witness sayings

  by Teela in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as i was growing up in the troof.

  there were sayings used over and over again to control my behaviour.

  the biblical on bad associations spoil useful habits and another on just because everyone else does it doesnt mean you have to do it to, would you jump off a cliff just because other people do what were the sayings that bugged you?

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  uriah

  Euphimism, I think that that is tautology - voluntary donation thinggy awhile back in this post.

  My pet hates:

  Field service

  Fine meeting, cracking meeting

  Kingdom Smile (as in 'where is your')

  Wholesome recreation

  Fine example

  Mature brother

  he's very spiritual

  JW's going 'Wow' and looking like they have found the holy grail when coming off a door when the householder

  actually has a brain (in their estimation) and then saying 'He/she asked really good questions, we're going back!'

  Book bag

  Dear great and loving almight and powerful Jehovah,

  humbleness and praise

  in the name of your dear son and our redeemer who shed his blood for us that we may have life everlasting whom you sent to this earth as part of your great plan to redeem manking, our king and ransomer jesus christ, amen. (I jest not)

  This bountieous banquet set before us

  These ones

  Shepherding/call/visit

  I could go on but will spare you all zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzz