To me though by adding the word covenant it is changeing the topic of the verses.
If it's about the priesthood leave it at that, why make it about the covenant? they are not interchangeble.
The Law is perfect, the priesthood was not. Which needed change?
what are the belongings that jesus comes back for.
apparently, we were told by one of the elders at bethel who was at the annual meeting in october that the organisation was still not too sure on what those belongings are and that it would be public down the road in their publications.
they figure it would come out in the april watchtower.
Yes, I was told it could possibly be the "other" angels in heaven that they would be in charge of, that nothing was written down yet to confirm it. The brother that told us wasn't quite sure how to take it or explain it. It's one of those just wait and see. Maybe watchtower will try and get people to focus on something in the heavens so that they are not focused on the crap that they have been served here on earth. Who knows, who cares.
so where do you start?.
i've been reading peoples experiences for several months now trying to figure out what i want to say but how do you put your whole life into a few words?.
i was a born in but have been happy and free for 5 years and luckily for me my husband felt the same way and we have freed our children from being brainwashed.
A well thought out exit. Looking forward to hearing more from you both.
It's great when a couple can leave together.
what's your favorite scripture to prove that watchtower's doctrines were false.
mine was romans 6:7 where they say it's our death that's aquitted us of our sins when it was jesus death that aquitted us of our sins.
our death doesn't have that ability to do that.
The explanation I heard on this topic is that it comes down to translation.
In the NWT the (his) is in brakets showing it was not in the original texts and is not least not in most bibles.
Taking that (his) out would make this a release from sin in general and not the sin of the individual. At death the individual is no longer under the influence of his sinful surroundings.
A closer look at the verses at the beginning of this chapter show that the topic being discussed is baptism and the parallel is with the emersion in water and the changes those being baptised would be make.
took a peek at the new jw.org and soon got angry :(.
"witness patients often do better!".
how was i that dumb, are people that dumb?
Not sure on the medical side of this but I am aware of the JW reasoning on it. When the NT talks about the laws God gave then they are talking only about what can be found in the OT. There when Noah is told not to eat the blood only animal blood is mentioned. Everything else is just is just added and we know what happens when people add things according to thier own understandings.
hello everyone, just wanted to say hi and introduce myself.. i am a mid 30's just stepped aside elder, who just couldn't handle it anymore.. i am a 3rd generation born-in and former pioneer and bethelite.
it has been a log somewhat confusing ride for me, but i am finally settling in to realizing that i need to really look at what me and my family are doing.. .
its funny though what really got me here... it wasn't the 40 year old men telling me they were looking at boobies on the computer and hoping not to get in trouble, it wasn't the watching young people bail left and right, it wasn't the ever changing new light etc... but a simple thought.. .
You made some excellent points. Now think back on all the other questions that you may have had and pushed aside over the years.
Many of those answers are right here.
Welcome
i'm a new member & i'd like to say hi to everyone, intoducing myself.. i am a 3rd generation born-in at mid 50's & an active elder.. english is not my mother language, so pls ignore any grammatical errors.
i live in a small country in europe.. i'd like to thank you for all information posted.
some of them have rally helped me to understand and examine again my beliefs.. last new light concerning f&ds=gb has verified the idea that they are popes in the position op pope.. i still believe in god & in his son jesus christ but not in the gb..
Welcome Promitheas, Always eager to see how things are done in other parts of the world.
Different understandings and beliefs.
i am fairly new here.
i came across this site a few years ago and tried to join but i wasn't approved as a member for whatever reason.
well, recently i came across this site again and decided to reapply to be a member and it was approved.
Welcome NDmom73:) We just joined yesterday and have never had so many visitors come into our home (through this board) then being in the org for nine years and feeling soooo alone. The socalled friends would say we live too far to come out except if they wanted to kill some time in the ministry or if you offered them a meal. We were only twenty minutes away driving time. I applaud those that can give their story but for me, I am too ashamed and embarrassed to talk about it. In one way am thankful to have been treated the way we did for it got us to where we are today and that's taking in the REAL KNOWLEDGE of the bible. Some of you make some really good points and it puts us back into researching the real truth about god's word. For that we are grateful. Will we ever go back to the org? NEVER! Once bitten, twice shy.
We are having the same problems as you trying to get on this board. It excepted new sheep but not bootlicker so I thought I would try again under labellicker and nothing has happened. Point is don't give up trying to sign up to all you lurkers out there for it will happen. You wil get on and it's awesome. I wonder how many others have tried to get on and have given up?
seriously, i don't own a zambonee, swimming pool, basketball courts, tennis courts, work out gym, vollyball sand pit, horse shoe pit, orchards, sauna, maple syrup/apple cider processing room and now a golf course.
Thankyou Scott77 for the heads up for I am a newbie and appreciate the info. Most definitley they own a zambonee and all their equipment is top of the line. They have different kinds of apples, pears ect.. They get an aweful lot donated to them like the one day there were skids of fresh live lobsters in huge plastic tubs, another time fresh salmon fillets. They are not hurting at all. Can't figure out if all they have to do is work eight hours per day and not have to worry about paying for meals or making them or clean their rooms or wash their clothes, have no kids to look after, then why aren't they pioneering? We have to work, pay for all our bills, raise families, cook our own meals, shop for groceries, clean our homes inside and outside, and are still expected to volunteer on the RBC, pioneer, donate and support the beast and his organisation use our cars, our time, pay for gas and yet keep recreation on the low end of the spectrum. We don't even have a used ten thousand dollar gazebo to sit in to look at all the pretty things that the publishers pay for. Don't feel sorry for these people who "sacrificed" their lives to serve the organisation. If I recall Jesus didn't even have a rock to lay his head.
Good night everyone
seriously, i don't own a zambonee, swimming pool, basketball courts, tennis courts, work out gym, vollyball sand pit, horse shoe pit, orchards, sauna, maple syrup/apple cider processing room and now a golf course.
Seriously, I don't own a Zambonee, swimming pool, basketball courts, tennis courts, work out gym, vollyball sand pit, horse shoe pit, orchards, sauna, maple syrup/apple cider processing room and now a golf course Oh, and lets not forget the free laundry service, your meals made, your dishes washed and put away and your rooms cleaned by others. Hmmm,,, seems to me your bethelites have more time on their hands to pioneer since they have all this free time on their hands as well NO BILLS!!!!!!!!! I know this for we worked at the Bethel and kept wondering what the heck? The weirdest thing was the bethelites would have to go to the bethel farm for the weekend to recoup. FROM WHAT? They have it made and let me tell you, they party hardy for we know. We were the ones that had to clean up after them.
