is the information on this webpage* regarding the socioeconomic conditions of jws a fair connection to the all too familiar wts quote of 1969?
does the report's statistics appear to be plausible given your personal observations?
*even though many others have copied and pasted the article (including the individual who created the page hyperlinked above), i'm apprehensive about doing so for copyright reasons.
Congrats tater on breaking the cycle! I read it that the beautiful girl is your daughter? (Hope that's right)
Sad but true, no one was meant to do anything but pioneer until Armageddon arrived. That's why anyone left in at my age will be dirt poor.
Trujw I'm gonna click on your link now....I suspect it's going to p*ss me off!!!!!! Haha
don't let any of the watchtower's propaganda deceive you.
i encountered some private conversations among witnesses about the subject and it's ugly.
yes, there is suffering as many of these victims try to live on charity and can't find jobs in the worst economy since the depression.. some of their private observations include shock that you need a college degree for nearly any job and that the watchtower society couldn't have picked a worse time to do this to them .. all the while these complaints are discussed, i try not to show that i am astounded by their bizarre "logic".
This is a fascinating read.
I hope Billy's situation has improved? I also understand the "self destruct switch".
Soontobe makes a good point, what effect will these ex bethel persons have on the local congregations?
Its made me realise something....all those years of anti education messages & "Jehovah will provide" came from people who were "institutionalised", many of them have never ever been out in the real world trying to find a job. They never expected to have to fend for themselves.
the people who never let me go to uni were window cleaners & house cleaners......they looked at me, I was young & smart & they tried to make sure that I would never be anything more than them.
sure, when you are 18 you can get any kind of job. When you are 50+ so much harder.
Hey T A, I'm in Australia too....Sydneysider!!
Hey TA, welcome! You've got the chance to keep your kids minds free from this stuff...I think that is the greatest thing.
Do you know, when my son has visited his grandmother (staunch witness) he came back & one day told me how she had told him about her experiences with demons..... He laughed, and said "Mum, you know she's crazy, right?"
and that's it...right there...MENTAL FREEDOM, because that woman raised me, and she told me all about her experiences with demons since I was a baby and I will never be entirely free of it. Even though I don't believe, and I've been out for years, it's still there, that little whisper. Someone posted a thread on here about ouija boards, and I could barely read it. That's how scared I am of that stuff, even though i know it's not true.
So my point is, if you have a chance to give your kids mental freedom, take it!
your kids are lucky to be raised by a Mum Who is "awake" to the truth.
good luck to you.
brothers would full on laugh at the c.o's lame jokes.
fight over who gets him for dinner where no expense would be speared..."oh they dont eat flour, sugars or milk products...".
144001 I am entranced, delighted, amazed, amused and awestruck.............you are making me smile & I suspect for the rest of today I'm going to be breaking into spontaneous laughter as I imagine the scene....
so this morning we flirt and i tell her what a "dirty girl" she is for buying those books...but i was thinking this from a girl who broke a frying pan on my car years ago because i didnt want to go to the meetings.
slowly i wore down that rock that she is with little facts and qoutes...i would not have stayed with her if she remained the fanatic witness she was....also she now swears like a sailor...i like that..
It's so badly written that when I read an sample of it I thought it was a spoof/parody.
If she wants to explore this kind of thing there is much better out there! Have a search!
the jws have a way of either eliminating or making miserable the things most people find to be highlights of their lives.
when i started dating my now wife, and yes i married the first person i ever dated at age 19 by the way, what should have been a great time became mostly miserable.
her parents didnt make it any easier.
I am forever thankful now that I didn't date anyone while I was in (well, only once for a few weeks). It was bad enough just talking to a brother, everyone would stare, whisper & gossip.
They turn anything normal & nice into something horrible. Chaperoning is all about being "seen" to do the right thing, as BU2B says, anyone who genuinely wanted to meet up in private could do so, most people have cars anyway. So why not just let people be adult?
Wedding nights must be strange....for some people it must be the first time they are unchaperoned?
How do you know if you are compatible or not?
i posted a link on fb that lead to a topic here.
i then had one of my 'friends' start having a go about how bitter everyone is here....fact he said.
(he used to be a jw elder but left a while back, not sure why he left or if he has even researched the faith since leaving) the more i tried to reason with him that actually it is a support forum, the more he lashed out that everyone here bad mouths the jw's and only attack the jw's.
Yes, a little bit bitter.
It comes & goes.
Sometimes I will be in a situation that brings up something from the past & it will hit me hard.
that's why this forum is great, no one else understands this (except if they were in another cult)
i spent 20 years never talking about these things, so I think it's good to get it out.
if someone is not bitter, well, many people had quite benign experiences of the JW. I've met a few who drifted in & out easy, people whose parents still let them have friends at school, play sport etc etc Many had extended family that they were close to....this obviously acted to dilute the affects of the org.
Maybe these guys don't need a forum.
i was going through my mail and couldn't find our emails of where we chatted.
i haven't deleted any because i dont know how.
but anyway yours and my email is gone.. are you still on here.
Hey I p, I'm still here! Still in Sydney!
I will pm you tonight or tomorrow.
for example, they pride themselves in what they don't believe such as immortal souls, the trinity, hellfire, etc.. some exjws still believe it is the "truth" and support the basics.. .
I believe absolutely nothing from the WTBTS.
I do believe that the dead are conscious of nothing, I think I may have felt that regardless of upbringing.
