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  KOREA MAKES THE CASE

  by Yerusalyim in

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  one quick look at the trouble we face with north korea actually strengthens the case for military action in iraq.

  here are the problems with face with n. korea.

  they are even more notorious than iraq about breaking deals.

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  Roski

  I would be interested to hear your account of Vietnam, and how American involvement brought peace?
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  It is NOT The Watchtower Society anymore?!?

  by email in

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  i don't know if this has been posted recently but... .

  i was just talking to a friend (a ms jw) that told me that he was told by the elders on a talk he was about to give that according to their last elders school there are instructions not to use the terms "the watchtower society" or "the society" or "the organization" anymore... but rather to now always use "the faithful and discreet slave" or "the slave"... .

  edited by - email on 15 january 2003 16:8:10.

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  Roski

  I recently had a call from a family member (elder) who asked me if I still believed in the FDS. At the time I felt that this question may have been the deciding factor for D/A, (or D/F) and perhaps one that the elders had been directed to ask. I also felt that it suggested a (re) focus on the concept of people (FDS) being the direct line for Jeh. holy spirit, (as opposed to the idea of an organization, which could be analyzed and found wanting) and non-blief in such would constitute a person as apostate. The concept of these individuals being put/allowed by jehovah may be easier to push home than that of an organization.
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  Pathetic Circuit Assembly Experiences

  by minimus in

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  i just got back from today's circuit assembly.

  i haven't been to one in the last 1 and a half yrs.

  obviously, nothing has changed.

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  Roski

  Not long after the 9/11 bombings, I was told by a witness about this experience that had been given at an Assembly Day.

  A sister in London picked up a wallet that had been dropped by a man (of Middle Eastern appearance). It contained a lot of money, but she handed it back to him. He was impressed and told her (in confdence) not to be in London on such-and -such a date. The DO (Ray Cowling-as reported) said the Bro and Sis shouldn't place too much importance on this, but he was telling them anyway. The date has been and gone.

  Just before this last christmas my neighbour told me the same story, but with London changed to the Gold Coast. Same man, same wallet, etc. Christmas came and went.

  I now wonder how many urban myths I listened to and repeated simply because they came from a supposedly reputable individual, and from 'the platform'.

  (apologies if the DO is incorrect, thats the name I was given).
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  Is the USA a bully?

  by Robdar in

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  i was watching the news last night.

  the latest word from the war front is that we should be able to peaceably work out our differences with north korea.

  as humiliating as it will be for us to kiss north korea's ass, we will do so because they do have the ability to nuke our west coast.

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  Roski

  One or two resposes have mentioned the South Koreans. At present there is quite strong anti-American feeling there. Taxi drivers refusing to pick up foreigners, resteraunts and shops with signs saying 'no Americans". Some acts of persoanl violence, (rape, knife attack, etc). The new president is said to be more anti-American than the former. Much of the ill feeling is long standing and a result of the behaviour of US military personel. This is not the official line, just the feeling on the street.
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  Some truth for all...

  by Gig in

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  i've attended enough meetings to know that the jw's consistently are building themselves up instead of their beloved jehovah.

  talk about idols of the heart, but sadly, they can't see it.. the truth is they use the bible to try to support their teachings, when everyone in their right mind uses their teachings to support the bible.. gig

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  Roski

  I was a special pioneer and had to get 150 hours per month.
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  Should she depart..................

  by Roski in

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  any ideas on the following would be appreciated.. 1 cor 7:10-11. this scripture is used to say that to remarry, other than on the grounds of a mates (admitted) adultery, is to become adulterous and thereby be liable for disfellowshipping.. a husband and wife are admonished to stay together, however should 'she' depart, "let her remain unmarried".

  apart from the obvious, that this text was written in a different age and for a different people (not intending to devalue the marriage arrangement/or loyalty to one's mate), does anyone have any idea as to other factors involving this text, eg -translation from the greek, time and context of writing, etc.. thanks.

  roski.

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  Roski

  Thats OK Goofy (?)

  (forget the cartoon characters....its been a while)

  Roski
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  Should she depart..................

  by Roski in

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  any ideas on the following would be appreciated.. 1 cor 7:10-11. this scripture is used to say that to remarry, other than on the grounds of a mates (admitted) adultery, is to become adulterous and thereby be liable for disfellowshipping.. a husband and wife are admonished to stay together, however should 'she' depart, "let her remain unmarried".

  apart from the obvious, that this text was written in a different age and for a different people (not intending to devalue the marriage arrangement/or loyalty to one's mate), does anyone have any idea as to other factors involving this text, eg -translation from the greek, time and context of writing, etc.. thanks.

  roski.

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  Roski

  Thank you both for your comprehensive replies. I did a quick search but found nothing, I will try again. Although this was my experience some time ago, I think it is about to be brought up again as a means of D/F - maybe. I have always been sceptical of the interpretation (before it was relative to me), basically because it just didn't make sense within the concept of a heavenly father. I feel particularly sorry for people with a young family, whose children may be denied the opportunity of a parent. Your explanations sound logical. Thanks, Roski.
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  Should she depart..................

  by Roski in

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  any ideas on the following would be appreciated.. 1 cor 7:10-11. this scripture is used to say that to remarry, other than on the grounds of a mates (admitted) adultery, is to become adulterous and thereby be liable for disfellowshipping.. a husband and wife are admonished to stay together, however should 'she' depart, "let her remain unmarried".

  apart from the obvious, that this text was written in a different age and for a different people (not intending to devalue the marriage arrangement/or loyalty to one's mate), does anyone have any idea as to other factors involving this text, eg -translation from the greek, time and context of writing, etc.. thanks.

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  Roski

  Hello all,

  Any ideas on the following would be appreciated.

  1 COR 7:10-11

  This scripture is used to say that to remarry, other than on the grounds of a mates (admitted) adultery, is to become adulterous and thereby be liable for disfellowshipping.

  A husband and wife are admonished to stay together, however should 'she' depart, "let her remain unmarried". Apart from the obvious, that this text was written in a different age and for a different people (not intending to devalue the marriage arrangement/or loyalty to one's mate), does anyone have any idea as to other factors involving this text, eg -translation from the Greek, time and context of writing, etc.

  Thanks

  Roski.
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  Am I the only 'fruit cake" here?

  by Marilyn in

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  before i confess to my rediculous weakness, i just want to assure everyone that i've been out for over 20 yrs - disfed for apostasy - that's true apostasy, as i stopped believing in god.

  i (& hubby) were disfed in 1981. never met another apostate or read anything apostate when we left.

  thought our way out unaided.

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  Roski

  Hello, I'm a relatively new Aussie here. In response to both Marilyn, Prisca and the Sunday program I have to say you have both made interesting points as did one other poster who, I think was referring to cognitive dissonace. When you grow up in the organisation it is definitely part of your cultural heritage and I think your life is always somehow tied to those early years of socialisation. Its part of the subconscious. As I know one of the speakers from that convention it was interesting to try and listen objectively to the information (which as Marilyn said, was a turn off) to the immediate emotive response of past shared experience. I have found that people who have not been subject to this early childhood experience are able to make -generally- quicker and more objective decisions in relation to the organisation. After the program I spoke to an elder's wife, and friend, who said that she had told her family she was sick of the lies and cover-ups and is seriously thinking of leaving the 'truth'. Her reasoning and ability to register the 'facts' is far better than mine was. I guess after leaving a high-control group, there is 'sometimes' a sense of loss, as chances are, this experience will not be repeated. I have found this to also be the case within certain cultures that are more homogeneous than ours. The response to shared experience cannot be totally avoided, whichever form that takes. Interesting....R.
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  Whatever happened to J.A.Wilson?

  by PopeOfEruke in

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  wilson was the branch overseer in sydney australia for many years, until he was unceremoniously kicked out and sent to a congregation in wynnum or manly, in queensland.

  there were many rumours about the event, the main gossip being he was kicked out because he wouldn't spend any money.......so perhaps it had something to do with the huge upgrade which took place at homebush, sydney not long afterwards.

  is john wilson still alive?

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  Roski

  He told the truth. Remember Dave Madzay??