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  Lies in the Dateline Show

  by TheMatrix in

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  first lie: erica.

  i dont believe erica lied about her abuse.

  obviously it must be true, even mr. beliz confessed that he touched her inappropriately.

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  Valis

  Non has not lied. Part of the beauty of language is that it can be manipulated to ones own ends without resort to lie. That what non do. Non not lie.

  non non sequitor too! Today's word boys and girls is flummery!

  Sincerely,

  District Overbeer
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  Lies in the Dateline Show

  by TheMatrix in

  1. social
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  first lie: erica.

  i dont believe erica lied about her abuse.

  obviously it must be true, even mr. beliz confessed that he touched her inappropriately.

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  Valis

  Perhaps Matrix is right about Barb not having access to confidential information...Who on earth would want women holding positions of importance within Jehovah's loving arrangement anyway?

  OUTLAW...looks like you've been accused of that good old reactionary tactic...WT style. Your Judicial Committee will start sharply at 7:30...but not before a trip to the pub to raise a glass to Bill, Barb, Erica, et al...cheers!

  Sincerely,

  District Overbeer
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  Tattooed Lady

  by professor in

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  i personally thought the woman with the tatoos and piercings was bad and sexy.

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  Valis

  Mulan, I think you mistake her coping mechanism for not having it together....body piercing and tattooing bring one all kinds of psychological benifits. For some it becomes very spiritual and for some a way of releasing the thing they can't quite put their finger on...whether it be pain, guilt, anxiety, etc...I know, been there and pierced that. The relase of lots of endorphins can be quite good for the soul..(assuming one has such a thing).I'm sure Erica has her moments, but the outward manifestations you saw on tattoo chick aren't done without some forethought and meaning. You also have to be sober to do most of the work you saw on her as well. I guess I'm trying to say everyone gets on however they can, no matter how divergent it might seem.

  Sincerely,

  District Overbeer
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  Tattooed Lady

  by professor in

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  i personally thought the woman with the tatoos and piercings was bad and sexy.

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  She difinitely needs a spanking....or at least she needs to give me one!!!! I thought she was attractive, although I have never been a big fan of facial tattoos. I hope she gets past the point of feeling ugly....and calls me!!! We could have a bible study...heheheh Really though, her story is so typical. My cousin went off the deep end like that after her abuse incidents....probably weighs 300+ now...swallows lithium like its candy, and has no self esteem whatsoever. Just another form of self deprication or immolation if you will.

  Sincerely,

  District Overbeer
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  DATELINE: BLACK ART OF PROPAGANDA

  by You Know in

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  hardly anyone has an honest opinion about anything of importance that wasnt craftily pre-packaged and handed to them by someone else whose job it is to craft public opinion.

  the intention of the media is to present the illusion of impartially informing, all the while pandering to prejudice and ignorance in order to persuade to a particular point of view.

  datelines presentation of the watchtowers child abuse issue was a case study in the black art of media propaganda.. from the very beginning of the presentation dateline was intent on giving the public a negative impression of jehovahs witnesses by portraying us all as oddball crackpots whose religion revolves around the doctrine that we dont celebrate birthdays and that all non-believers are possessed by the devil and that we want them all to die.

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  a negative impression of Jehovah’s Witnesses by portraying us all as oddball crackpots whose religion revolves around the doctrine that we don’t celebrate birthdays and that all non-believers are possessed by the Devil and that we want them all to die.

  I'm sure you don't want us all to die before the end comes and you neglect to convert all 6 billion+, but in the end it won't bother you at all. You'll have the whole planet to yourselves...no Apostates, no beast and certainly no fals religion. The oddball crackpot warrants the old saying.."if the shoe fits..."

  The Armageddon illustration from the Watchtower’s brochure of horrified people falling into a crevice was obviously supplied to the Dateline producers by apostate JWs in order to inflame public opinion.

  Who exactly is being inflamitory with the use of those pictures? Is this not a litteral/pictoral translation or how Jehovahs Witnesses envision the end? I think so! Perhaps the WT shouldn't use them if they are afraid of them being construed as real JW belief. The black art of propaganda indeed.

  But, the most outrageous aspect of the Dateline production was that the child abuse victims were shamelessly victimized again by those whose obvious intent is to exploit their unfortunate situation in order to persuade the public not to listen to our message the next time we call.

  A job well done! It sucks when the elders can't control/shut up those already exploited, when they dropped the ball in the first place huh
  YK? Turnabout is always fairplay!

  Sincerely,

  District Overbeer
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  Quote from Dateline, pretty interesting

  by Bendrr in

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  john larson must have done some research on the jw's obviously.. in the intro part of the dateline segment, i noticed he was pretty blunt.. he said:.

  "anyone from outside the church, most of you watching tonight, are considered part of satan's world which will be destroyed by jehovah god".. notice that he said "jehovah god", commonly used by dubs but not normally by anyone else.. also he included all the "hot button" rules sure to catch the attention of "worldly people": birthdays, christmas, blood transfusions, and military service.. nice work, john!

  i move to bestow the title of "un-disfellowshipped apostate" upon john larson.. mike.. ...

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  There were also some juicy images he took from some book or another I would like to get my hands on. I thought they totally emphasized the delusional world they live in and the fantasy one they have constructed for the future....Do you think the general population liked being called worldly, or being told they are all going to die 9/11 style? heheheh...I doubt it!

  BTW...did I hear someone say they DO let pedophiles go door to door? See what good ole repentance can do for YOU?

  Sincerely,

  District Overbeer
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  Bush finally snaps

  by bboyneko in

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  .. http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020527-78351630.htm.

  during a press conference in france.

  "i wonder why it is you think there are such strong sentiments in europe against you and against this administration?

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  Ah Cowboy be nice! I would prefer it another way. How about spending some money on renewables and less on Oil exploration, not to mention stockpiling? How about full disclosure from Dick and George in regards the Enron scandal? Just the facts ma'am...Are you telling me you don't hug your beeves?..uh I mean trees..heheh

  Sincerely,

  District Overbeer
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  HAWKAW: YOU'RE FRED FRANZ?!?!

  by troubled in

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  angry xjw said in a recent post:.

  hawkaw (aka freddie franz).".

  you've got to be kidding me.

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  she could have been referring to Fred...I can just see it now...*HAWKAW types away on the forum, all the while decayed and crumbling fingers get stuck between the keys*

  Check before you wreck...

  http://home.earthlink.net/~defender/de01006.htm

  http://www.freeminds.org/history/franzorg1976.htm

  Sincerely,

  District Overbeer
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  Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?

  by lv4fer in

  1. watchtower
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  i was talking to my dad last night and i told him that there is no "organization" that jehovah uses directly.

  he quoted this scripture and said "well then who is this talking about" i read the scripture and i have to say i am a bit puzzled.

  if it doesn't say what the jw's say (not that i'm saying they are it) then what does this scripture refer to?

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  Valis

  No use reinventing the wheel...Hope this helps..

  http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/7209/slave.html

  Sincerely,

  District Overbeer
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  John Chapter 3. How does it jive with JWs?

  by FetterFree Annie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can anyone answer a serious question?

  since jws set so much store by bible study etc., i was wondering how they explain away john chapter 3. specifically where jesus tells nicodemus you have to be born again by the spirit of god in order to enter the kingdom of heaven.

  while i'm here i would also like to know about eph 2:5,6. it seems to me they work like trojans in order to attain a place in paradise- but this verse clearly states we are saved by god's grace and not our works.

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  Valis

  Sorry..posted in wrong forum..please excuse.