Posts by venus

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Why do Jehovah`s Witnesses believe everything will be Hunky Dory after Armageddon ? I have news for them.

by smiddy3 in

they seem to think that all they will do is enjoy a carefree life with little or no concerns problems or worries whereas nothing could be further from the truth... according to the bible.. without trying to speculate on these concerns or problems during this one thousand year reign of christ jesus ,lets hear what the bible has to say about the end of his thousand year reign.. rev.20:7-10 satan is to be let out of his prison {as if he hasn`t done enough damage in 6000 years of roaming about in the earth at the same time fraternizing with jesus and jehovah in heaven} i digress.. and the reason he is let out of prison ,lo and behold ,is to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth gog and magog to gather them together for the war.

{ here we go again ,armageddon didn`t solve anything we have to go through another one.

} 1000 years later.. now get this it`s not just some isolated little skirmish with a few hundred or even a few thousand dissenters ,as the bible states they number the sands of the seashore and they advanced over the breadth of the earth and encircled the camp {not a nation but a camp} of the holy ones.and the beloved city.. with that description it would seem the holy ones are in the minority and the opposes apparently were spread over all the earth.. so that description of the bible to me about jc 1000 rule does not appear to be one of living in a paradise , that is not on the agenda until after jesus christ 1000 year reign and only if you are lucky enough to survive another test/war of your loyalty after all you have gone through previously.. i wonder if this realization is one of the reasons why so many now are claiming to be of the anointed because as one of the other sheep you have to pass another test after the 1000 years of christ jesus rule whereas of one of the anointed on death now you go straight to heaven ..

venus

If you have lived with very old people (like your great grand father) in the days leading to their death, you know that they say things they don't mean and see things that are not really there. So was the case with Apostle John in his late 90's.

Jesus had clear knowledge about what happens in the future: "Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife[e] or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first." (Mathew 19:28-30)

He brings no Satan into the picture. Jesus very well knew that New World that has now become Old World would again be “renewed” in its time. Each one's body is the proof for this. Body undergoes growth and decay, and the process continues. (Mathew 11:14) We don't know how, but it happens.

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Things You Still Agree With The JWs On

by Fred Franztone in

aside from obvious things that most people agree on, like theft being wrong and the importance of family, i can't think of a single thing i agree with the jws on, nothing that's specific to their religion anyway.

do you have any?.

venus

What I liked about JWs is that when they world did something good, they too made necessary change. When Kofi Atta Annan was elected as the seventh Secretary-General of the United Nations in 1996, JWs too appointed one GB member from the black community (Samuel F. Herd) in the year 1999, thus proved to be better than Catholics who are yet to have a Pope from Black community.

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What if the crucifixion never took place..

by Jayk in

i googled it and pretty much my understanding is the same as what i imagine.

no one really knows, your guess is as good as the next.

interesting thought to consider imo..

venus

The teaching that Jesus was tortured and executed in payment for the hereditary sin of Adam, including possible future sins is the best example that religion is doing disservice to God—they simply do not understand such a horrible concept would never originate from God. (Jeremiah 7:31) It is this type of teachings that give births to atheists.

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What if the crucifixion never took place..

by Jayk in

i googled it and pretty much my understanding is the same as what i imagine.

no one really knows, your guess is as good as the next.

interesting thought to consider imo..

venus

Account of Adam and Eve is contradictory to the original creation account given Genesis 1 where we find God creating mankind, not just a couple. Even if first couple sinned their sin would not be passed on to their children: "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin.” (Deuteronomy 24:16)

If Jesus really lived, then problems are more because it would mean the subject of what is called redemption by the death of the Son of God originated from God. Without any conditioning, anyone would revolt at the recollection of what he reads in the Bible that it was making God Almighty act like a passionate man who killed his son when he could not revenge himself in any other way. I am sure a man who did such a thing would be hanged.

God is too good to do such an action, and also too almighty to be under any necessity of doing it. Any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system. But the Biblical concept of God the Father putting his son to death, or employing people to do it, cannot be told by a parent to a child with conviction; and to tell him that it was done to make mankind better is making the story still worse—as if something greater would be achieved through the murder of the innocent [a logic today’s terrorists resort to]; and to tell our children that all this is a mystery is only making an excuse for the incredibility of it.

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In The Beginning ... There Was Shunning

by days of future passed in

yes indeed, shunning began in eden.

when adam and eve sinned against god, god pronounced a curse on them, handed them some skins for clothes and kicked them out of the house.

there isn't any conversation between god and them after this.. he did converse with cain, but that also ended shortly after he killed his brother.. on the other hand the one that started it all, satan, visited jehovah at his house.

venus

God stopped communicating with humans who turned apostates and God is continuing communication with angels who turned apostates. This shows that account of Adam and Eve is of human origin and also is a parallel account to the creation account given in Genesis chapter 1 where we find God creating mankind, not a couple.

When two things are contradictory, I reject one in favor of the other which is acceptable and natural. For example, Nebuchadnezzar making a positive response to a miracle is acceptable and natural (Daniel 3:26-28) whereas recipients of miracles Jesus performed not coming in for his defense/preaching is not acceptable and not natural. Mary who experienced miraculous virgin birth returning from temple without ensuring the boy Jesus is with her is not acceptable, nor natural.

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Life after jw

by Jrjw in

hi has anyone still kept searching for the truth after leaving wts?

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venus

Truth is for the seekers. There is a place where truth remains hidden for the seeker to experience his thrill—in the vocabulary of different languages. When I was studying in Mount Holyoke, I had the opportunity to mingle with many foreign students and thus to my surprise came to know certain words are like a treasure of truth in at least one language among the vast reservoir of languages which means you have to continue your search for the truth of one word till you get it through different languages. For example, take the word ‘king’ and start seeing the meaning of it in all the languages and you will find it means a person ruling with dynastic root, then suddenly you find in one language, the word ‘king’ is the summarized form of this sentence: “one who brings delight to all of his subjects and keeps them (of various interests) reconciled to each other.” To mention a few other words which my search took me to the truth:

Family = Place where delight results when members get together

House = Building from which you depart forever

Son = One who ensures no dishonor happens to his father

Soul = That which is made of knowledge and acts egoless

Intelligence = Reading between lines/happenings and arriving at intuitive discernment

Diabetes = Sweet urine

Ego = Opposite of construction (egoless = construction)

Personality = That which is visible on the outside, like a mask on the face

World = Place where mostly illogicality is abundant and logicality is too rare; rationality is irrationalized and vice versa

Hell = Me-first attitude

Heaven = Living in awareness of common origin of all humans.

Worship = Engaging in something fully focused as happens during dating and courting

Knowledge = from know (Greek gnosis, Sanskrit gyan), that which causes you to say wo, in awe. Hence Socrates said: “Philosophy begins in wonder.” (from Plato’s Theaetetus). Philosopher Immanuel Kant famously remarked that two things filled him with awe and wonder: “the starry heaven above me and the moral law within me.”

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Life after jw

by Jrjw in

hi has anyone still kept searching for the truth after leaving wts?

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venus

Hi dozy,

Luise Hay, self-help author. used to say in her seminars that if you train your mind giving autosuggestion that you want to die while in sleep, it would happen.

And to everyone's surprise, she herself died during sleep. So what you said " ( if you are lucky ) a comfortable , pain free death in a warm bed surrounded by loved ones" is true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4847770/Louise-Hay-popular-self-help-author-dies-aged-90.html

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Life after jw

by Jrjw in

hi has anyone still kept searching for the truth after leaving wts?

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venus

Hi Hanged Man,

Thank you for that link.

Everything is cycle of Cause and Effect. What science describes in scientific terms, religions describe through mythological characters

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Life after jw

by Jrjw in

hi has anyone still kept searching for the truth after leaving wts?

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venus

Hanged Man,

Nietzsche even wrote a book on the same subject which he named it "Eternal Recurrence."

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Life after jw

by Jrjw in

hi has anyone still kept searching for the truth after leaving wts?

.

venus

Truth exists in piecemeal scattered in all isms. Truth is for the seekers. Intelligence [from intellegere, Latin, literally “read between lines”] would actually mean reading between lines, happenings, scriptures, science … and arriving at intuitive discernment.

There are conflicted religions, and also atheism; there are people who remember their past lives and there are people who do not have past lives. Think about the first flower you smelled when you were a child—you can remember its color and even its fragrance now as though you were really there. Yet your body is not the same now as all atoms that made your body then have now been changed which means what holds your body, the immaterial substratum, has not changed! That substratum must be atom-sized because we are called individuals. The word individual comes from Latin individuus [based on dividere ("to divide")] which describes human being basically as something indivisibly and invisibly small substratum on which body is sustained.

Just like our body organs cannot go beyond certain limit, mind, the thinking faculty, can think up to certain extent; beyond this it cannot think. If we stretch the mind’s ultimate limit, we find that the extent of entire cosmos remains still beyond our imagination and intelligence. Therefore, it seems that a greater intelligence than ours must have been working behind the vast, entire cosmos.

Explore in this line—you will reach truth.