Posts by anonymouz

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Jehovah's Witness Governing Body Member, Guy Pierce. Can anyone give me the back story? Any interesting info?

by Balaamsass in

members of the governing body are "public figures", so i used a full name.

i am doing a research project.

did anyone know him or his first wife?.

BOE Letter: Kingdom News No. 38

by pixel in

to all bodies of elders re: kingdom news no.

dear brothers: .

april 1, 2013. we are pleased to inform you that in november 2013 a month-long special campaign will focus on a wide distribution of kingdom news no.

True, it can end any day now brothers! For Bethel that is. The world system still has to globalize a financial and monetary solution before any true governmental globalization can occur with the culminating period of that financial globalization process. (Dan11:42-43).

And obviously, even a budding high school geo-political and gloalization theory hobbyist would realize that will take a number of years, and some quite daunting national world challenges to even actually found an actually functional world government beyond UN schematic function and global scope of implementation for real.

Not that it is impossible, but requires a decade or so to accomplish with the proper set of world events to accelerate the process, obviously already set up in national bankruptcies of sovereign scale at magnitudes unheard of in even the year 2000. The national powers gloally will have to have voluntarily given their former autonomous sovereignty to globalization authorities (Rev17:12-18), and that still would not be "the end".

Thus in reality "it can BEGIN any day now brothers!". And it will take several years to culminate to the obvious global geo-political reality it is naturally evolving towards. Since Bethel is probably deeply tied into the national potential derivatives domino effect (and other inter-related potential financial developments), it is truly Bethel that is in more danger of ending financially and organizationally than the world system at large, as a multi-national complex that will be recovered in a globalized financial solution, because that is now the only recourse once the money printing and debt expansion smokescreen gets blown away (by whatever wind) for the real picture it is covering up at global scale.

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The Signs of the Declines

by Londo111 in

about the circuit i grew up in:.

last decade, a congregation was dissolved.. last year, about a half a dozen or so congregations meeting in a double-hall got re-orged and it works out to one less congregation.

they received all new territories, bodies of elders, publishers.

anonymouz

The congregations of stumbled out or away are probably at 10% growth, from not exclusivley JWs, but from the overall negative press web campaign. The real JW growth rate is probably around 1 or 2%, if not negative at times. The trend is pretty much irreversible as it took a good twenty years to reach this point with noticeable declines in spite of refined ministerial devices and a couple billion more people on planet earth.

Thus the tree is drying up and so is the fruitage. The balance of funding needs is at bare minimum (they already have a billion in hard assets to plunder) as Bethel's success is actually in the stumbled numbers because a trend this developed cannot be simply accidental but requires a purposeful catalyst and sustaining reality.

In my opinion the overall pattern indicates a mass stumbling development will occur at some point in this travesty, and will reach the goal of actual sustained negative growth in published form substantiated from an abrupt event that will have a multi-year momentum of marked decline, in fact the whole organization may also go down for a number of years. Only a real reformation could bring the sunk ship up as a few life boats a number of years later, with a greatly reduced core JW population that could then appeal to more people minus the hypocrisy drag that must have a complete low point at some period in this notable cycle of decline. It cannot just remain static in a non-linear sense of predictable decline, an abruption is what seems to be indicated as quite possible in this downward spiral trajectory.

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"Work every dollar received, to the best advantage, AS SPEEDILY AS POSSIBLE"

by Terry in

think of all the real estate the society has acquired over the years.

think of all the investment portfolio folders bulging with funds.. got a picture in your head?.

now read some excerpts from zion's watchtower of april 1893 in the words of pastor c.t.

anonymouz

Well that is like comparing Russell to the Bethel Pharisees of today. There is no comparison as to good intentions and Bible obsessive interest Russell did have, and Bethel of today lacks, and it is obvious (Rev2:2);

There is no comparison with the first century Christians and today's JWs, there is even no resemblance to 1940s JWs, the entire religion, it focus, it's UN allainces, it's financial setups, all of it indicates it is another religion entirely, and not a Christianity of it's first reformation attempts.

Modern Bethel merely uses the past, with Bible truths they desecrate, as a cover for the modern "operation of error" that has now successfully deformed the reformation, by gradual strategy, into a United Nations annex, even covering up obvious globalization "King North" prophecy from Daniel 11:27-45 as a non-existent USSR and "it's a mystery brothers" "King North" in general, that must be 8th King from 3rd (Dan11:31b) to 4th UN placement progress at Daniel 11:42-45 coming up.

Thus JWs also lack truth, veneered with past "truth", and instead promote lies and purposeful "8th Kingdom" globalization process ignorance of developments that will take a number of years to even globalize world finance and monetary systems in national disarray into an international administrative "rulership" (Dan11:42-43).

Instead what Ron Paul and David Rockefeller (and many other experts in various disciplines) plainly state as a multi-year process of required financial globalization first (not Paul's desire for a global sovereignty in this regard), that of course guides all former national "power and authority" later (Rev17:11-18) for years to come unto an actual 8th King world government, JWs and Bethel sells as the ignorance "it can end any day now brothers!!".

It can end any day now for Bethel, not the world system in general. The world will go on for years, must complete the globalization processes in finance, government and military, and that will take an approximate decade, a world war resolved (global war on terror and continuations) for world "peace and security", and full 8th King vocalization (1Thess5:1-3) as UN centric but far more expansive actual worldwide government as an actual functioning multi-nationally and trans-nationally based international world power.

Even high school students are understanding globalization basics, thus Bethel's dodo bird impression is for maximum ignorance effect on JWs and their audience, not on the Bethel CEOs who as a trans-national corporate billion dollar plus complex of globalization itself, fully understand the actual globalization process basics and even advanced theory. They know Bethel is going down when Daniel 11:42-43 truly activates, and JWs organizationally will be hit for 100s of millions into organizational dysfunction, because it is not Christians who run and own the JW worldwide organization.

We know by 40 years of rotten GB "board of directors" fruitage what is really going on. This cannot just be a big oversight at the levels of intelligence in global understanding required to manage this billion dollar wealth egg worldwide. The external impression is as well engineered as everything else internal to a Bethel grand compromise. The covert UN NGO is an indication what kinds of actual operation is at work in Bethel's fallen ministry. (Rev8:10-11). Like boiling a frog, JWs were lulled by the comfortable spa like atmosphere, gradually developed and engineered, and now it is too late for the org, and many JWs stuck in it's web. (literally; WT 11/15/13 pg. 20, par. 17, #3).

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So where is all this supposed worldwide persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Reality79 in

for years, it was drummed into our heads that the whole world lies in the hands of the wicked one who hates us and a result, mankind particularly hates the jws with a passion.. now that i think about it, i've seen very little evidence of that.

i mean yes, in places like malawi, germany and some other countries the witnesses have been through real persecution - not the type that the average dub would call it like doors being slammed in the face.

but what have they experienced that many other religions in other countries haven't?

anonymouz

JWs are UN NGO "wildbeast co-promoters", and thus alignment with, rather than against the world government and the cover up in prophecy of it's last leg of globalization (Dan11:30-45) as a process required for world government actuality, means JWs have the 8th King blessing, and no real problems will arise as far as persecution.

The real Bethel implosion will be aided from within financially and organizationally to end this process of the UN NGO mission by deposing the entire JW world ministry when Daniel 11:42-43 activates in earnest in 8th King world globalization of national financial and monetary systems into a globalized solution to aid national sovereign transferrence into world governmental "power and authority"; voluntarily for national powers by that time as Daniel 11:42-43 culminates over some years as Rev17:11-18.

As we know JWs cover up 8th King world development as King North prophecy from Dan11:30 all the way to Dan11:45, retaining the failed USSR fiction to v. 43 (Dan11:36b), and at that 3rd UN placement resolving the "cold war" (Dan11:29), JWs instead joined the United Nations as "spiritual Israel" by Bethel "governmental body" mandates covert, as UN "non governmental" organization, but a UN family organization none the less. And a "treaty" of UN co-promotions (Dan11:31b), which is of course aided by NOT revealing the UN forming world government as King North. (Dan8:12b).

This is why JWs are also in a 1970 state of world globalism awareness, as all that actual final globalization of government and military must be driven by globalization of world finance as per Dan11:42-43. JWs apply that "King of the Gold" to the bankrupted and non-existent USSR to aid the overall illusion in their duped JW masses.

Thus until JWs are desolated (Dan8:13) and get with the actual Christian program of actual truth of prophecy rather than "the lie" (2Thess2:11), there will be no JW persecution of any true "Biblical proportions". Until JWs stop having spiritual sex with the UN, and instead start to prophetically describe their current master, everything will be peachy for JWs until the Bethel implosion of finance. Then, problems must begin to materialize in a true resistance to such a world exposotion that JWs will have to make, or you know, utterly fail as is the current case. But it will take a number of years of JW organizational ruination to achieve such a wake up call. (Matt25:1-13; Dan8:14; Hos6:1-3). JWs are all good now with the 8th King, and will enrich him with JW millions in the process of this final cycle beginning soon. (as Dan11:42-43 financial globalization activating, taking some years to complete).

Until then, JW ignorance is bliss.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-03-2013 WT Study (REMINDERS)

by blondie in

jw
friends

comments you will not hear at the 11-03-2013 wt study (september 15, 2013, pages 7-11)(gods reminders trustworthy).

wt publications http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/archive.htm (old).

(christians = only jws).

anonymouz

A problem with people in general is knowing history repeats in striking ways (like world wars), but fail to recognize the initial patterns of it's replication by denial, distraction or lack of understanding. By the time it all repeats, the general societal ignorance becomes the anecdote of the next generation who learn for a while, then repeat the same thing.

JWs are te same way in their microcosm. Although furnished with not just history, they are taught repeating principles as Israel's judgment foreshadowed Christendom's judgment for pretty much the same disloyal to God alliances. When reading the Bible and concocting Bethel commentary everything bad applies to everyone else, everything good applies to JWs, apostates are outside the WT castle, not ruling it from the Bethel throne (2Thess2:3-4), everything negative develops in the world, not in the "blessed" JW microcosm. (Rev8 "earth").

Thus by denial, blindness and distraction, JWs have ALL the patterns repeating in their own midst in their own microcosm, including divine disloyalty (UN NGO), predatory policy (pervert protection program), and many Bethel forms of lawlessness by policy. Yet keeping with blind humanity JWs apply none of Israel's history to themselves, although Israel's history provides explicit examples replicating in direct principle right in the congregations and right in the elite Bethel synagogue.

Although the divine judgment pattern is now replicating for sometimes a third time, with four manifestations including the original, all repeating at various times in history, like all those times in history upon the blind recipients of the judgment, the GB self-approves themselves as already "faithful" and call this premature self-judgment "discreet", and now JWs of course follow psychological suit as also pre-approved. Once again like the blind leading the blind, the religious leaders of Jehovah's witnesses now also repeat the pattern of leading their people to catastrophe (literally, WT 11/15/13 pg. 20, par. 17, #3) in a period of repeating human history as well, and now the world and JWs are all oblivious to what a 500 trillion dollar worldwide national debt (and unfunded liabilities) controlled implosion must mean.

Although the perfect financial storm of worldwide financial ruin for Bethel is now blowing wind right into the Bethel sand castle, and the waves are lapping near beach, and the big one is coming, JWs are in LaLa land, yet claim "it can end any day now brothers!", when in fact the world gloalization of finance and monetary system will take years and inspite of some severe tribulatory effects worldwide, will be the only hope of recovery. (Of course the nations will have to surrender their core sovereign power (Rev17:11-17) which ultimately boils down to wealth first that must globalize into the master creditor system (Dan11:42-43))

Thus JWs also aid the general ignorance in the world's "end of the world" thinking that another world war continuation of the current world war "global war on terror" is the "great tribulation" leading quickly to Armageddon - or just "naturally" nuclear doom. Even if tribulatory which it will be, the world globalization process into a final "8th King" world government CANNOT occur overnight, will take several years, will have full vocalization of intent, will resolve globalized finance, will resolve that world war for world "peace and security" to present said world government (like all the world war resolutions; 1919, 1945, 1990) and will be a full fledged worldwide international governmental system (beyond UN scope and function, but including it), and "the end" cannot come before that world government completes, and that takes several years of radical world changes to complete world globalization, depose national sovereignty, and absorb the quadrillion in former dollars valuated hard asset wealth of deposed religious sovereignty worldwide to aid the recovery process.

Meaning a "freedom from care" (Dan8:25) as a worldwide "peace and security" (1Thess5:1-3) must also come first as the climax of a cycle not yet activated in earnest, just showing signs.

It is merely all repeating but into a final cycle of completion to result from this repetition, and it is all also repeating in JWs, and the repetition of brazen lawlessness from the Bethel core in JWs, does not bode well for JWs who also cannot avoid the preliminary judgment repeating on their beloved Bethel system of idolatry with years of brazen transgressions and disloyalty to core Kingdom responsibilities (UN NGO and 8th King cover up as King North). This is not going to be a divine approval process befalling JWs, let's put it that way, but a judgment marker, and it is all repeating in a most comprehensive fashion on JWs and the world contextual development in general, with massive world implications also primed for a global shaking to provide the context for Bethel's downfall (financially and organizationally), just as sudden and complete as Jerusalem's or Bethel's downfall of old, it's "mother" pattern. (Hos2:5; 4:5; Matt24:15).

I would guess about 1 in 1000 in JWs and the world will even recognize this replication of world and or spiritual principles cannot remain static indefinitely. It must follow the general course of a well beaten path in world and Bible history repeating concurrently. Again...

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The Rise of Japanese Nationalism and Korea

by fulltimestudent in

who is responsible?

that's a rhetorical question, for the moment.

i believe we should focus on the fact that at 'street level,' which is where i guess we can see this video originating, there is support for seeing japan as the 'civiliser' of east asia.

anonymouz

Those "responsible" would be those who would benefit from crippling and delaying Asian economic development which in time equates to world power development because nationalism always leads to violence directed against "those responsible", who actually create the development by engineered dissent that crystallizes into defiance and internal division, not actually any real unity.

Thus like Nazi Germany, the system in time becomes divided and self defeating, while appearing unified and beneficial. The goal is not to destroy Asia, well not too much, but to delay their development and perceived efforts to resist the Anglo-American internationalist (not nationalist) based world government to go into overt development in the next decade.

In this way, upon a divided Asia, in a situation where Asia cannot have national or alliance prosperity internally and fight an anti globalist empire at the same time, Asia will be drawn into a limited world war of unique design along with Russia (and others), in hot, warm or cold context, in monetary and military arenas in time. At some point in the process, aided by engineered tribulation in various forms, Russia and Asian soon to be fully financially compromised national power systems, will have to not only join a UN based world government extension, they will voluntarily surrender all national "power and authority" to the Anglo internationalist based world government. (Dan11:42-43 aids Rev17:11-17 culminations over the next decade).

Any religious, ideological or national ripples that start to form, are first to affect the national sand castle it appears to originate from, but actually comes from external shores to begin weakening, not strengthening, the target. By these various points of turbulence sold to the national people as unity, freedom, etc, we can know who the targets of the next ten years will be by this initial tenderization. (and it is all nations as national autonomous sovereigns) It is obvious the Asian economic trajectory needs to be flattened out a bit to smooth out the overall process and transition to international authority as world government actuality. But even the Anglo-American national systems have been targeted by international Anglo-American super-corporate and finance interests, and must be the actual catalyst of the initial engineered plunges that will underpin Asia's coming economic "normalization" to assist the transformation to world governmental power as an actual government infrastructure utilizing former national power systems to effect the objective of that world government.

Globalizing a financial and monetary system designed by these internationalists already, upon the enormous national debt and liability falters globally, will greatly aid the transition process of ultimate control of these nations' national economies first (Dan11:42-43), to facilitate the rest of the transformation process later (Rev17:11-17; Rev16:13-16) and that is a ten year initial process aided by a continuation of the world war "global war on terror" in some form, to be eventaully resolved by design, as world "peace and security" (1Thess5:1-3) to aid the positive and hopeful effect of a "freedom from care" (Dan8:25 parallel Dan11:44-45) to fully present an initially fully functioning world government with a UN international forum "conference room" as part of the overall "scarlet wildbeast" internationalized actual ruling governmental system at global scale.

What is to start soon is just the beginning, and it will result not in "the end of the world" (though there will be a global tribulation, it is temporary), but in a world recovery to again aid the world government process, but now to fourth rendition completion, by resolving a world war and tribulation (Matt24:29), like the three world wars including the cold war before it, to present 8th Kingdom world sovereignty and statements of world rulership as world "peace" and security. Everyone nationally will have fallen into line to kiss the 8th King's internationalized feet, including Russia and all of Asia.

(any dissent is being handled in the "attack" mode of Dan11:44 parallel Dan8:25, "DURING a freedom from care" as one-sided, uni-polar final 8th King world government and world military stabilizing operations projected for probably another 10 years by that time of final touches and burning off any loose ends performed by world sovereignty power, not national required subservience to it.)

[By the way, Bethel's finances and corporate network will be going down (Dan8:13) "absorbed" in the context of Daniel 11:42-43 financial globalization process beginning in earnest soon.]

Every world war development since 1914, has resulted in a UN related presentation in 1919, 1945 and 1990 (Dan11:29-31). This final world cycle will also result in a final presentation as UN centered, multi-nationally based world government but in complete form in this fourth cycle. And that cycle takes several years to finalize.

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Who are God's Executional Forces today? (by The Witchtower)

by processor in

http://www.svhelden.info/witchtower/2013/11/who-are-gods-executional-forces-today/.

who are gods executional forces today?reprint from the witchtower, october 2010. gods executional forces strike without regard to age or sex.

for god instructs them to show no mercy.

anonymouz

But ironically, those "executional forces" are those applied to the JW temple in ultimate implied fulfillment, not at Armageddon, just to keep up with the rules JWs now break with "the organization" main foulers. (Zech3:13). Eze 9:6 "from my sanctuary" you should start, parallels 1Pet4:17 priority and that must apply to JWs by their own rules as the "house of God - not just for favorable judgment as JWs like to imagine, but also for "trampling" judgment (Dan8:13). And that start in the implied JW temple moves out to "Jerusalem", formerly a Christendom judgment by JW interpretation, never meted as such literally, but now by JW rules of interpretation and Biblical logic would apply to a future judgment that would start with the JW "house".

The executional recipients can only be JWs in transgression in that prophecy, not the world system in general.

Since there is no actually spiritually approved much less anointed leadership in "the organization", JWs now loosely apply that whole "inkhorn" meaning to everyone else unmarked, JWs indelibly marked for approval, yet the Mal3:16 "book of remembrance" would logically be the "marked ones" in the temple, not the whole world system, by JWs own rules.

And since Bethel's neo-papal leaders never clarify the "organizational" rules and clarified situation as an execution applying to JW "weeds" at a final fulfillment temple judgment, it becomes but another stumbling block of absurdity and ultimate partiality to further discredit "the truth" (2Pet2:1-3), as even now JWs do not even play their own game by their own rules any longer.

Another obvious bending of the rules would be applying that to Christendom well after the JW rules 1918 broad initial temple judgment, to further the illusion JWs are safe and sound as the "executional" actual manifestation is then stretched by "the organization" to apply to Christendom in the future (even everyone else in the world but JWs), yet by JW rules Christendom is merely "Babylon the Great" since after 1922. Thus even the Christendom "whipping boy" context, now 100 years old almost and irrelevant, can longer buffer JWs from the logic (of their own rules) that must now be a more focused judgment exclusively on JW claimants by the time of final judgment.

Thus JW current logic has many examples of transgressing it's own rules to suit a delusion of perpetual divine approval.

Obviously the lead of the infallible thus pre and self-approved irreversibly faithful GB discreet popes is where such attitude and disregard for "house" rules originates.

(Ezekiel 3:20) And when someone righteous turns back from his righteousness and actually does injustice and I must put a stumbling block before him...

Now "the organization" is the main production factory of it's own stumbling blocks designed by the GB engineers of the science of the fall. The executioners would have to be angels by Bible and JW rules. (Zech3:1-9; Rev8-9). And the first unmarked they would be hitting, by JW's own logic, would be the UN allied GB and Bethel elites, the "older men at the sanctuary". Then they would "toss the coals" of Eze9-10 (Rev8:2-5) over the JW congregations worldwide "Jerusalem" as a purification symbol (Isa6:6-8) as only marked JWs would be spared by logic of the JW game, JW weeds would be terminated or extracted "to the darkness outside" as a Rev8 "1/3" filtration concluding that part of the JW game.

A game whose rules JWs no longer observe as the GB Bethel neo-papal bulls override the Bible "rule book". By JW rules the "marking" can only occur among JWs and would be a divine angelic process, now mimicked by the GB's own self-approval as kings and gods of the world. (2Thess2:1-4).

JWs have no inkling a temple judgment would have to be applied to them by their own rules, and the broad "temple judgment" of 1914-1922 era and developments could not serve indefinitely to furnish JWs perpetual approval in comparison to Christendom overall which now provides JWs with a handy delusion to follow the GB spiritual criminals wherever they go. (WT 11/15/13 pg. 20, par. 17, #3).

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"Truth expiry date July 2017" -- this a Youtube joke?

by FatFreek 2005 in

i just stumbled on this youtube video of some 1 minute in length.

the originator says he found this by chance when thumbing through the jan 1, 2012 watchtower magazine.

at the bottom of the last page the statement reads, "truth expiry date july 2017".

anonymouz

There are unique issues at times. If you compare the June 1, 2009 street version WT in printed and pdf form, the cover in some pdf versions includes a yellow "50%" sign in the bookstore cover image, which text "50% off" is not present in the printed versions, but the placard sign on the bookshelf is.

For all I know that variation may be present in printed and pdf versions, as I could of course not check all of them, but that anomaly I did notice in that 2009, 6-1 issue of WT.

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"Truth expiry date July 2017" -- this a Youtube joke?

by FatFreek 2005 in

i just stumbled on this youtube video of some 1 minute in length.

the originator says he found this by chance when thumbing through the jan 1, 2012 watchtower magazine.

at the bottom of the last page the statement reads, "truth expiry date july 2017".

anonymouz

Well if Bethel pulls a hoax climax in 2014 as some are now profiling as a speculation (to appeal to the "centennial effect" since 1914, to reinforce the final stage of the illusion), then 2017 is the concluding timing of Dan8:14 as a 1150 day half period of Bethel desolations "evening" phase 1 from speculation 2014 dating. (There is an "evening" phase, and a "morning" phase in that order).

Meaning the darkness "evening" period of JW bewilderment in that Dan8:14 passage, would not end until in 2017 3.19 years after the beginning of the Bethel financial and organizational implosion marked by some event. That "evening" "darkness" is for those not in knowledge of the Bethel operation actually being undertaken.

And it may possibly be signalled in WT publications as possibly indicated here. It is signalled in other ways. (WT 11/15/13, pg. 20, par. 17, statement #3, for example).