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i found it funny how some people would literally underline just about everything in the watchtower magazine.
the more the magazine was underlined and notes were written, the more a person looked spiritual.. did it ever happen that you didn't read your watchtower magazine, and you underlined just about anything just to look as if you read it?.
I always thought excessive underlining was a sign of limited intellect, never did it myself.I also never received any criticism for bringing in scriptures not cited in the paragraph or material from extra research. There must be some real Neandertal congregations out there.
I always thought bad spelling was a sign of limited intellect. j/k of course. I just couldn't help myself.
in another thread regarding the saturday afternoon convention program, 95stormfront wrote about the wts aid in helping victims of a storm:they again shamelessly plugged how they were oh-so- helpful to victims of allison, the rainstorm that put the city of houston underwater two years ago and how money poured in from witnesses around the world.
what they failed to mention was that all the supplies they used were either donated, or bought at very reduced rates using government grants, stored in donated space, all the labor was provided free by brothers in the building industry.
they also failed to mention that it took anywhere from 6 to 8 months for them to finish the work on individual homes and that after it was finished, you were presented with an invoice detailing all the hardware used with a total of what the retail cost of what those items would've been.
In another thread regarding the Saturday afternoon convention program, 95stormfront wrote about the WTS aid in helping victims of a storm:
They again shamelessly plugged how they were Oh-so- helpful to victims of Allison, the rainstorm that put the city of Houston underwater two years ago and how money poured in from witnesses around the world. Yeah-Right!!!!! What they failed to mention was that all the supplies they used were either donated, or bought at very reduced rates using government grants, stored in donated space, all the labor was provided free by brothers in the building industry. They also failed to mention that it took anywhere from 6 to 8 months for them to finish the work on individual homes and that after it was finished, you were presented with an invoice detailing all the hardware used with a total of what the retail cost of what those items would've been. Of course, this total was a suggested donation amount. The JW's I know showed much humility and giving spirit in the way they were bitching about how much the WT was expecting from them monetarily, while at the same time, those who had it, using their insurance windfalls buying big ticket items they'd, under normal circumstances, never be able to afford. I happen to know that there were a lot of "shepherding call" going on to certain peoople who were "helped" by this arrangement. There was a lot more to this story than they were willing to admit.
I have never heard of this type aid before. People donate money for a relief fund. That fund plus maybe some money from the WTS is used to help rebuild/repair homes. Then the homeowners are shamed into donating back the costs of the materials?? That's not humanitarianism. That's fleecing of the flock. And then they have the gall to brag about how humanitarian they are for helping in the relief effort.
If done properly, the WTS could actually make a profit from this relief effort. Brothers donate most of the money to buy relief items and building materials. Local brothers do all the work to repair/rebuild. A "suggested donation amount"(read "bill") is presented to the home owner which is the amount spent on materials used. If each or even the majority of homeowners were to donate that amount back to the WTS, then a profit is generated to the WTS because the original monies came from the brothers that donated to the relief fund, not the WTS.
Do they have no shame??
cavemen evolve into homosapiens over a span of 3,500,000 years.. how is it that this statement is stated as fact?
if it is proven as fact,then is the genesis account of creation false?.
in order to believe it must one believe in evolution?.
Damn! How do I get the "Hominids Gone Wild: Doggy Style" version of this show?
Wouldn't it be more of a monkey style?
one of my witness family members agreed to take a look at crisis of conscience, and after.
perusing the first couple of chapters, said that she thought it could be all made up.
agreed that the documents presented could be legitimate, but as far as franz's personal.
SOJ wrote:
How about testimony from Harold Jackson, Liverance, Baltasar Perla, Karl Adams, Joel Adams, D. Mercante, Robert Wallen, and David Olson. I have had the pleasure of asking some questions to these brothers about what went on duing the 1979-1980 era in Bethel. They're point of view of the matters is very interesting. Unfortunately, I never wrote this information down
Then later he wrote:
I do remember, but I would like to have a word-for-word account. Unfortunately at the time, I did not think about these matters. I don't feel I would be believed if I just posted my memories of these conversations.
Could you PM me and let me know who in the list you talked to. I know these brothers very well.If you know these brothers so well, why not ask them again? And this time write down what they say and share it with us.
cavemen evolve into homosapiens over a span of 3,500,000 years.. how is it that this statement is stated as fact?
if it is proven as fact,then is the genesis account of creation false?.
in order to believe it must one believe in evolution?.
When they show programmes from our advert/sponsorship free channels such as BBC, do they cut them up and put adverts in? I hope not!!!
Not only did they cut em up for commercials, they edited it for content. The BBC version had more hominid nudity than the Discovery version.
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i found it funny how some people would literally underline just about everything in the watchtower magazine.
the more the magazine was underlined and notes were written, the more a person looked spiritual.. did it ever happen that you didn't read your watchtower magazine, and you underlined just about anything just to look as if you read it?.
I remember people that used different colored hi-liters to underline the A and B parts. And, yup, most everybody's mags were totally hi-lited or underlined. I did it myself(way back when I bothered to study). If you hi-lited just the answer, it should have been one or two sentances but occasionally there would be a question that had no answer in the paragraph. So, the answer was to hi-lite the whole paragraph, LOL. Eventually, it becomes habit and sub-consciensiely(?) we figure that "hey, at least it looks like I studied".
We had a WT conductor that not only didn't study, he would forget to bring a magazine with him to the hall and have to scramble around during the talk to find one. He had the audacity to counsel the congregation from the podium during the study about not being prepared enough so as to give thoughtful answers.
i'm sure all of us were loyal at one time to the watchtower, believing in all of it.
(some of us probaly hated it from day one as well but, ).
what were some of the first things that happened or were said, that made you to start doubting it and beginning the loss of your loyalty to the organization ??????.
So is the 1000 year reign of Christ part of the seventh day? If so, almost 90 years of it is over. If not then we have 900 more years till the end of the system of things, right?
Reading and understanding that explanation from the WTS is like trying to make sense of a time travel movie.
i have been reading the district assembly posts with fascination.
these are sponsored by a religious book publishing corporation that claims to be divinely directed but denies it's writings are inspired.
it used to be managed by those who claimed to be of those remaining of 144,000 anointed but they quit their corporate positions in 2000.. .
If you are going to the assemblies this year, please do not carry a cooler for food....
Not to hi-jack the thread, but have being out of the loop for a while, have I missed some "direction" on not carrying coolers? First, they quit selling food, then they quit serving food for a "donation". Then they wanted everyone to bring a light lunch. But they didn't want you going out to a restaurant or street vendor. Now they don't want you to bring a cooler?? What do you do with your lunch? I guess most could leave it in their car, but what about those on the buses? Or within walking distance from their hotel/motel? Or in the bigger cities, those that use the subway/rail system?
i know some of you still go to the hall, are in the organization at some level of activity, or at least read the mags.
my question is, why?
i've got my ideas, like for family etc, but my curiosity leads me to ask.
I go to the occasional Sunday meeting and Memorial. I haven't been to a book study, ministry school or service meeting in at least two years. I can't remember the last time I picked up a mag to read(other than research to confirm my doubts and at WT studies on Sunday).
If I didn't have family in, I would walk away and not look back. But to keep my family ties, I stay inactive but go to the occasional meeting. It gives them hope that I'm changing my ways, I guess. It keeps the elders confused too. They don't quite know what to do. I'm not competely gone. I'm not creating disturbances or spreading apostate views. But I don't go in service or meetings during the week. Just what is my problem? That's fine, let 'em guess.
have you ever noticed that jw's have a particular hard time with driving?
let me clarify.. i work for a police department that has a civic center where there are circuit assemblies held usually once a month..(give or take a few weeks.
anyhoo, i cannot count on my fingers and toes how many accidents i have had to work involving jw's.
In my 30 some years of being associated with JWs, I came to the conclusion that, generally speaking, JWs couldn't drive worth a flip. The teenagers weren't any worse than other teenagers, they did the same stupid things and raced and wrecked and got tickets. The adults on the other hand were just plain bad drivers. I rode with many different people in service for many years in different parts of the US, and the majority did not know how to deal with normal driving situations. Stopped or slowed down on on-ramps. Stopped at yield signs. Ran stop signs. Stayed in the left lane at the speed limit(Ceaser's law, ya know) while angry drivers passed em on the right, flipping em off as they went by. In service, they would pull out of a driveway, in front of traffic, go 100-200 feet, slowly, pull into the next driveway, without giving a signal while traffic slammed on the brakes to keep from piling into the JW car. That was a normal occurance in service. I got to where if I couldn't drive in service, I didn't go. Not just the embarrasement factor, but the safety factor. There were several people, pioneers and elders, that I refused to ride with in any circumstance. I worked traffic at conventions. You couldn't get these people to move at a decent speed no matter what. It always took forever to clear out a parking lot, partly due to the ineptness of the parking attendents, but also due to the fact that witness drivers were slow, didn't pay attention and kept being a good samaritan by letting others out in front of them, slowing down the whole process. At conventions, I got to where I started sneaking into employee lots, service lots, etc, so as to not have to deal with parking attendants and stupid, idiotic drivers after the session. If you're out on a Saturday morning and you see a mini-van full of people in traffic with you, avoid that vehicle at all costs. It's witnesses in service. And I will guaran-damn-tee you that the driver is talking, drinking a cup of coffee and reading a not-at-home-slip instead of paying attention to traffic.
This has always been a pet peeve of mine. Couldn't tell, could ya?
