She's not there to answer your questions. She's there to convert you to being JW. if you don't want to convert, you're wasting your time conversing with her.
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How do you get a word in edge-wise, when talking to a JW?
by Faithful Witness injust looking for some pointers, as i was never a jw.
i have an elderette coming over on friday, for another performance.. last week, i was under the impression that she was coming to answer some questions i had.
it quickly became clear that she came with a plan for the "conversation," and we went on an expedition from one passage of the bible to the next, while she made leaping claims, argued with herself and kept me confused and always with more than one question lingering in my mind, while she continued talking and talking.. when i have a conversation with someone, i tend to stop talking when they are speaking.
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How do you get through the memorial?
by Gorbatchov infor family reasons, gorby and his wife and children has to visit the hall at april 14. our family accept that we are faders, but don't accept if we do not visit the memorial.. so, it seems a small investment: one evening love bombing for a year peace and rest.. but i hate the visit.
headache.
meeting the people knowing it's all fake love showing.. how do you get through it?.
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For several years I managed to stay completely off the radar. No Memorials. But the last three or four, I've gotten more pressure than before to attend. It's the only time of year that I get any backlash for my being out and gone. For all intents and purposes, I am an ex-JW, except for this one meeting, when both family and old JW friends put the heat on to attend.
And I've come to terms with it. It's just one hour a year. I can deal with it. I've studied, researched and dissected the JW ritual of the Memorial enough to not be swayed by anything done and said during this one hour. I try to liken it to being coerced to attend Mass once a year, as many a backsliding Catholic are pressured to do at either Xmas or Easter. So I go, I play nice, and then when it's over, I go about my business as if I had never attended.
I do pay just enough attention so that if the subject of the talk comes up later, I can point out the errors, inconsistensies, or down right false statements, if cornered and I have to defend my position.
And for those that want to make a statement by partaking, this is my take on that: Personally, I think it's rude and disrespectful. You're on their turf. It's their meeting, their service. Even though they may not respect our position, our lifestyle, our new faith, or lack thereof, I will not lower myself to their standards by shitting all over their beliefs/practices while at their service. I'll defend myself as needed, I'll fight em on my turf if they show up, but if I were to hate them that much, I would just not go to anything JW related and would leave them to their own devices.
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Reproved. Counseled numerous times. But never DF'd
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WTBT$ will no longer support Elder's legally....
by Newly Enlightened inwe received an email and are wondering if anyone can verify this little tidbit of news.
does anyone know if this is true or not?.
maybe any elder's on here?.
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"the elders do not represent the WTS"
They're told that, sure. The WTS wants elders to think that they're actually thinking for themselves, but they're not.
Who gives the elders their elders hand book? The WTS.
Who do elders call when a serious matter (such as child abuse) is brought to their attention? The WTS legal dept.
They don't represent the WTS? Bullshit. They're frontline troops and pawns, fighting the dirtiest of the battles, yet expendable.
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Critique of Mar 2014 Awake on Creation by Alan Feuerbacher
by jwfacts inalan feuerbacher has written a tremendous critique of the march 2014 awake!, which contains a grossly dishonest discussion on creation.
the pdf file can be downloaded from awake_march_2014_creation_critique.pdf.
it highlights watchtower use of poor and contradictory reasoning..
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Thanks for this link. I had already developed my own critique of this horribly written WT article, but it was good to see good ole AlanF's in depth skewering of WT logic and doctrine.
The biggest things that stick with me about this WT article are:
The statement that each creative day could take "thousands of years". Not millions, but thousands, which keeps the WT 'official' doctrine of the 7,000 year creative day length intact... even though, as Alan pointed out, they haven't come right out and admitted it since the 80s.
The WT ploy of trying to separate the creation of the heavens (universe) and earth (the planet) from the actual 6 day creative process. The WTS has really gone into full deception with that one. By pretending, or trying to convince its followers, that the earth/heavens could be billions of years old and still everything on earth was created later, it flies against what the Bible itself says in Exodus. It plainly states the 'in 6 days God created the heavens and earth'. If you get in a debate with a JW over that one, ask them if they accept the Bible as final authority and then watch em squirm as they realize that what this article says is in direct opposition to the Bible.
And finally, what the fossil record vs the Bible record does to the teachings about Jesus death. The WTS says science and the Bible agree, yet still asserts that Adam was created 6000 years ago. Science says man has been on this planet much much longer. But the WTS can't deny that Adam is not real. When you go to the Memorial (if you go), notice that they'll spend a portion of it talking about how Adam lost perfection and that's why Jesus has to die...to buy back what Adam lost. Now, if there was no Adam, then Jesus ransom sacrifice is moot. It means nothing. The WTS is in a corner thanks to creationism. They have to accept some verision of it, in order to accept Adam, in order to accept Jesus as ransom sacrifice. If creation is false, if Adam was not real, it all comes crashing down.
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What Watchtower Belief/View Never Sat Right With You?
by minimus inbut their views on blood are just plain weird!
meat has blood in it even if it's bled.
still eating meat means consuming blood.
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Never dying. I never could wrap my brain around that one. Everyone in history had died. How is it that I happened to be of the very smallest of groups to not have to die? The older I got, the more I doubted it.
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I need some moral advice?
by trex2strike inokay, i like to hang out with these twelve other guys a lot, but recently one of them---i call him josh--(to help protect his identity) as started being a bit of a jerk.
he just decided that he was the leader of the group, and i'm not 100% comfortable with that.
and he expects us to treat him like he was god or something.
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The first rule of Fight Club, is that you don't talk about Fight Club
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Any active jws, without using the phrase "God must have..." Can you prove that Noah's ark actually happened
by DuvanMuvan ini have a number of problems with the noah's ark story that i could never find the answer to in the bible and so i thought i could ask here:.
1.how did noah get animals that are indigenous to areas he could not get to (e,g penguins, koalas, kangaroos, moose etc) .
2.the flood supposedly happened around 4000 years ago but there is evidence of civilisation dating back a lot further.
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...Can you prove that Noah's ark actually happened
Ye of little faith. Have you not seen the movie trailer? "Maximus and the Ark"? It's all explained right there in High Def movie making. Geez...
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Over 7yrs as a JW and I just found out I'm not supposed to buy Girl Scout Cookies?
by Maat13 ini'm still in the matrix(the truth), but 'morpheus' and his team are valiantly working on a way to get me out.
in the meantime, everyday i am discovering so much about being a jw i never knew, like don't buy girl scout cookies, that i keep asking myself "what have i got myself into".. maat.
really lame for a first post, but i figure i should start some where.
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Of all the things that JWs 'can't do', Bill Maher had to pick one that doesn't really have anything in print to back up the position. That's 'tradition of men', so to speak. Oral law handed down from on high by word of mouth, generation to generation. But not recorded in the holy WT scrolls.
Not that he's entirely wrong. When I was growing up, not only were you not to join girl scouts or boy scouts, you could not support them by buying cookies or support any other scheme they used to raise money. I figured this would come as surprise to many JWs today who were not around in the 60s and 70s. I could see them all now, Friday night, watching Bill Maher on HBO (another example of JW hypocrisy in itself). "NO WAY! He's wrong! He doesn't know anything about us!" (notice however that they were laughing right along with the absurdities of the other groups mentioned until it got to them). But these are the same JWs that probably have no clue about not owning wind chimes, or about men not tipping their hats to ladies, or not toasting/clinking glasses, or what the real reason why smoking is a DFing offense (spiritism).
I'm glad Bill lumped JWs in with the group, but if he wanted to accentuate the absurd, he probably should have used birthdays, instead of girl scout cookies. That one is verifiable. And just as harmless as buying girls scout cookies. Then any JWs who were daring to watch his show to begin with would feel a little uncomfortable when they got lumped in with the rest of the loonies.
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New requirement to be Recommended
by bruh2012 inper co last night, he mentioned in his talk that in oder for a brother to be recommended as an elder or ministrial servant he must have a regular and meaningful family worship night.
this will demostrate his willingness not to miss that important meeting and preside over his household.. so i thought, wow what a way to add to the "inspired" biblical list of qualifications.
serving jehovah is sounding more and more and more organizational..
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Eh. They'll just lie like we all did when they asked if there was anything that would prevent us from serving...
"No, Brother. I'm an exemplary dub who never masturbates, looks at porn, drinks too much, listens to debasing music, etc etc etc..."