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  Assembly Food

  by El Kabong in

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  what are some of the foods you remember being served at district and circuit assemblies.

  i remember every sunday was roast chicken.

  also i remember them serving knockwurst and saurkraut.

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  Years before the changes were made, a relative of mine who worked very hard at each assembly and convention saw that things could be simplified and made suggestions accordingly. From what I heard, the elders did not take kindly to his suggestions and thought him untheocratic.

  I remember working in the kitchens a couple of times when they were still serving hot food. It was absolutely miserable in those kitchens. You could work one shift and stink of grease and sweat the rest of the day. The "blue collar" brothers seemed to prefer to work in the kitchen than be seen in a suit and tie though. It was like some kind of pride they took in not having to join the other lemmings rushing to their seats.

  I remember that most of the elders from our area went to two assemblies. One to work in the kitchen and one to "receive spirtual nourishment".
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  "You Should Not Even Eat With Any Such Person".

  by Englishman in

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  example 1. ray franz was disfellowshipped for being seen eating a meal whilst sat at a table with a disfellowshipped person.

  example 2. i was recently told by my customer's jw secretary that she was sorry but she could not make me a cup of tea because it was against her witness principles to drink / eat with a df'd person.

  yet, i think i understand now what the scripture at 1 corinthians 5.

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  If the secretary in the normal course of her job, is expected to prepare tea or coffee for clients or superiors, and in fact does so on a regular basis, then refusing to do the same for this one client(whether an XJW or not) is cause for disciplipinary action, up to and including dismissal. If this secretary does not ordinarily fix tea or coffee for clients and is not expected to by her superiors, then refusing to for this one client is not a discilipinary action(though maybe not smart to upset a client). That would be a standard HR answer to the question.

  As for her chatting and enjoying the company of the client, an XJW, she is probably in error according to WTS policy. Refusing to fix tea did not change the fact that she was fraternizing with one has "turned away from what is righteous". To keep with WTS policy she could actually fix the tea(if part of job description) but should avoid conversation outside of anything work related.

  This actually shows that most sincere JWs are not sure of their own policies and deep down find it very hard to shun people. It hurts good people when they have to be un-loving and un-kind. It goes against their very nature. That should tell them something.
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  Assembly Food

  by El Kabong in

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  what are some of the foods you remember being served at district and circuit assemblies.

  i remember every sunday was roast chicken.

  also i remember them serving knockwurst and saurkraut.

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  I remember when I was very young they actually made breakfast, eggs,bacon,cereal the works, it was pretty good the only down side was you had to stand and the tables were all tall enough for the adults,when your five you can forget seeing your food.

  Boy, did that bring back memories. I remember eating breakfast in the food tent outside the arena at International Assemblies. Just like you, I was too little to see my tray of food. I can still remember the smell of hay on the ground inside the tent and the smell of the food as they dished it out.

  Thinking about standing in line at these food tents waiting on food reminds me of Jim Jones' followers standing in line waiting on Kool-Aid for some reason.
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  Why does the US call itself ALONE"America"?

  by JH in

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  as far as i'm concerned, the united states is in north america, just like canada and mexico.

  so why do americans think "america" means only the us?

  so often i hear americans talk about the us as "america".. .

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  Why does the US call itself America?

  Because we can. And who's gonna stop us?
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  A question on time...

  by Andyman in

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  some time back i read something about a new time arrangement involving 15 minutes of time being turned in.

  does anyone have the whole story about this?

  does a person get a whole hour for only 15 minutes of preaching?

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  Before you go to discuss the daily scripture and pray before the service, you go and do one house. Make sure you find a house where someone is home.
  After witnessing to this person you can just continue counting, even during prayer. Time stops after you do your last house.
  This way you can count hours and hours a day.

  Why not, on the drive to the KH, roll down the window, yell at a passerby, "Praise Jehovah" and start your time then? Same thing on the way home. Wait till get almost home, throw an old mag on somebody's yard. You can count all day that way.
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  Proms

  by Nikita in

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  one of the things i longed to do as a teen was attend a prom.

  i dreamed of one of my jw "crushes" asking me, but it never happened.

  but, i did have an old school acquaintance ask me in senior high.

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  I didn't go to my prom. In factI didn't have any social contact with anyone I went to school with period. I was a loner in school. And since we lived on the very outreaches of our congregation's territory, I had little social contact with kids in the hall. There were a couple that were close friends, but hardly no social interaction outside of that. I had no contact with the neighborhood kids, most of them within a couple years of my age. I was that "weird kid that goes to that weird church". I grew up learning to rely on myself for entertainment(felt guilty bout that too. The WTS banned masturbation ya know). Learned to escape into books, movies and television. Even as an adult, I was apprehensive about any social situation. I did alright at congregation picnics and such, but anything outside of that, I felt terribly inadequate to handle. Even now, out of the org. I still feel apprehension at some social situations. It's getting better, but I hate I spent half my life not enjoying a lot of things I missed out on. And things like school dances, proms, etc. are memories that I will never enjoy.
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  Which religions excommunicate convicted sex offenders?

  by proplog2 in

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  bill bowen likes to use the expression "pedophile paradise" because of the two witness requirement.

  but, don't jw's disfellowship unrepentant sex offenders?

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  The point Bill makes is that the WTS, in its drive to keep its congregations clean forgot to protect its children and allowed molesters to keep on threatening the congregations.

  It isn't so much a drive to keep the congregation clean as it is a drive to give the impression that their congregations are clean. That's why molesters flourish. They(WTS) don't want to expose the problem, so they cover up that there is one. And it just gets worse over time.
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  gcc2k asked "WHAT IS THE CURRENT VIEW"

  by JT in

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  made the following comments

  1. the quotes showed are pretty old.

  what proof is there that this is the current view?

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  Is it not amazing how a JW will quote the bible which is 1000's of yrs old and yet take offense with a quote from a wt that is 6 months old-

  I like that one. That one can be used against JWs. Qoute an old WT and the JW will say, "well, that's the old view". But if JWs accept the Bible as their basis for their teachings then their view should never change. The Bible doesn't change and God doesn't change(according to the Bible) so why should doctrines and viewpoints change over the course of time with the WTS?
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  Why does the Society lie about not soliciting funds from door to door?

  by truthseeker in

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  recently, it has been said that jw's do not solicit money going door to door.

  if this is the case, then why are the following points going contrary to what the 'official line is' ?.

  1-the co counselled the congregation recently saying that 'not enough people were mentioning the donation arrangement'.. 2-we are 'told' to mention the donation arrangement every time there is a presentation on 'what to say about the magazines'.

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  I did not think it was appropriate for the WTS to receive MY donation for the mags, and then another donation for the SAME MAGS from the householders

  I think a lot of witnesses question this one, but are afraid to speak outloud. It struck me as kinda crooked when it was first instituted this way. Pick-up the mags, make sure you make a "donation" each month for the literature picked up. When "placing" literature with a householder, make sure to ask for a "donation". So the same book or mag is paid for twice(if everybody followed direction). Make sure that you place all "donations" from householders in an envelope or change purse marked "contributions to the world wide work" and make sure that they are placed in the box at the hall. What a neat little scam. Only one problem. It ain't workin. Most honest, sincere(but clueless) witnesses know inherently somehow that this doesn't sound honest and thus are afraid to ask for donations. They would rather pay out of their pocket then embarrass themselves to ask for it.
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  Concern or Criticism

  by Ray6 in

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  an elder in my hall is always so concerned about my teenage daughter( why doesn't she comment as much as her brother, why did she miss the meeting, why this, why that).

  he keeps his attention on my wife and her friendship with another sister in the congregation and he is constantly hounding every move i make.

  i feel the love is lacking.

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  there used to be a sense of family or camaraderie among Witnesses that has just vanished

  over the past several years. It's all rules, meeting attendance and putting in time --- and blind acceptance of whatever new

  propaganda the Watchtower prints.

  Well put. I remember as a kid and teenager, the togetherness that did seem to be in the congregations. There were the meetings and service as always but there was always some other kind of event outside the "program" that seemed to hold the congregations together. But over time, non-sanctioned events and gatherings were discouraged and subliminilly banned so that the cohesiveness disappeared. In a way that is a blessing in disquise because it has given people cause to wonder, doubt and eventually discover the sham that is this religion.