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The dubs at "Witness World" are discussing UN involvement!!!!!

by somebodylovesme in

i am a lurker on the "witness world" witnesses-only website.

they are having a discussion because someone during door-to-door service confronted them with the un letter.

they are all saying that it is "obviously made up"... but the person is planning on writing to the society to ask.

undercover

Well, looks like the mods there did delete the post. And brucejw is no longer registered... hmmmm

That right there is as good a reason to distance yourself from this crazy religion as any. No negative, independent thought process allowed. No dissenting opinions allowed. No disagreements allowed.

As soon as non-conforming, negative, questioning viewpoints started to be posted, the topic was squashed and the messenger was killed. Maybe this guy was an infiltrator, but he did not post anything "apostate". He posted factual information without condemning or accusing anyone of wrongdoing. Factual information, despite its origin is still information and knowledge. Just because it "might" come from an unapproved source does not change what happened. The WTS has conditioned its followers to not listen to anything negative from any source. In doing this, its followers are sticking their head in the sand when it comes to what's really happening around them.

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The dubs at "Witness World" are discussing UN involvement!!!!!

by somebodylovesme in

i am a lurker on the "witness world" witnesses-only website.

they are having a discussion because someone during door-to-door service confronted them with the un letter.

they are all saying that it is "obviously made up"... but the person is planning on writing to the society to ask.

undercover

That's why we leave it in Jehovah's hands and shake the dust from our feet with regard to these ones. We need to put our efforts into finding the sheep that are in our territories.

And just what are you going to tell those "sheep" about the UN and it's position in defiance to God as the Wild Beast?

Here's how the end of that conversation at the door will end:

"Were we an NGO of the UN? Uh, yeah. We were affliated with it for a few years, but we got out. What's that? Uh, no, we knew it was the Wild Beast before we joined. Hypocritical you say? Uh, well, um, do you want to read the Watchtower and Awake today?"

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The dubs at "Witness World" are discussing UN involvement!!!!!

by somebodylovesme in

i am a lurker on the "witness world" witnesses-only website.

they are having a discussion because someone during door-to-door service confronted them with the un letter.

they are all saying that it is "obviously made up"... but the person is planning on writing to the society to ask.

undercover

This is exactly why the WTS doesn't want these "witness" sites out there. Even in their little isolated corner of the web, the truth about the WTS and its misdealings is being made known and this has to be scaring the WTS. That's why they are on the current witch hunt against "apostates".

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Making 607 crumble

by ellderwho in

during my eight month long study with "elder bob" (moms husband) we have batted around many subjects to say the least.

but the one that really stands out is the dreaded date of 607 bc.

im sorry i just will not let up with this date, and him having to prove it can stand.

undercover

If you have found a better religion, Church, Christianity or organization then please inform us all. I do not think so for all you can do is moan and groan. How pathetic you are.

Ah, the last resort of the defeated. How many times have I heard this when discussing the problems of the WTS with others? Every time they get backed into a corner they change their argument to, "do you know anything better". Well, that's not the point or the problem. The point is that the WTS has lied, deceived and mislead people for over 100 years. The problem is, should I believe anything they say after seeing so much wrong about this organization. If the WTS is the best that religion has to offer, then I'm better off without religion.

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It just doesn't add up

by micheal in

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friends

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was there any particular event, teaching, experience where it all came together for you when you really questioned the "truth", or believed it wasn't it couldn't be god's organization?.

when did you realize and say to yourself, this just doesn't add up?

undercover

I've had doubts for years, but like a good little dubbie, ignored them or thought that I was just not being theocratic enough. Looking back I have realized that I have lied to myself all this time. I liked things and did things not approved by the Society and I felt guilty about it. Little by little though, things just wouldn't go away anymore and the answers from the publications were not satisfactory. I have to admit that the Internet opened my eyes to a lot of things. Of course you can't admit that to anyone still in, they just don't get it. Even though the things I read on the Internet opened my eyes, I didn't accept all of it. It was from apostates, you know. Over time though, I compared the publications with each other and studied the doctrines and the opposing viewpoint on some of the major doctrines including the chronology of 1914. Once I realized that the 607 and 1914 chronology had major flaws, I was for all intense purposes done with it all. Since then, I have seen the hypocrisy in many other areas. I have seen the non-scriptural way of trying to control people and judge people. Jehovah's Witnesses is just another apocolyptic, fundamentalist, hypocritical religion. The one thing that I learned from the Witnesses is that "religion is a snare and a racket". Now I know they were right about that one.

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The Mormon Guide to Avoiding Self Abuse

by Gretchen956 in

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if you truly make up your.

it is a habit that is.

6. begin to work daily on a self-improvement program.

undercover

Masturbation is the first thing that comes to mind when looking at Gretchen's avatar, that's for sure.

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Are we just being "sifted" out?

by micheal in

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friends

this is an expression all of us heard and read about in the wt.

this is also an agrument someone used on me because i am not and have no desire to go to meetings.

i for one believe this agrument that i as well as all of you are just being "sifted" out of "jehovah's organization" because we are "hard headed" is nothing more than a pile of crap.. .

undercover

I had someone us that defense not to long ago when I was trying to show them the history of the Society. 100 years of false predictions and mistakes by any organization would surely have to make us sit up and at least question anything that was said from that organization.

I got the "Jehovah is cleansing the organization by allowing the Society to make mistakes, thus any disloyal ones would be sifted out by not accepting the organization as being directed by God" argument. That defense works only if you KNOW and accept that the organization is God's. Try telling someone outside of the organization that and you will get laughed at.

At first I didn't know how to respond because it makes no logical sense whatsoever. God, who cannot lie, who is justice, who is truth, let's his organization continually, progressively teach things in error just to weed out any who might question the validity of the organization? How stupid is that? God, who cannot lie, who is justice, who is truth would have an organization that is spotless, without blemish, so that one could point to it and say, "as God's organization, see how we have not erred or made wrong predictions and everything we said would happen has happened?" This would bring more people in who wish to be on God's side than letting them be wrong all the time, trying to cover their tracks.

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A JW at my work, question?

by Beans in

there is a guy at work that i had heard was a jw, so i was working with him and we had a few laughs talking and joking around so i was starting to pry and get it out of him that he was a jw, also i had heard a few things and wanted to ask him as well.

so i asked what he did for christmas and he avoided the question and then i said, "oh yeah your a jehovahs witness" and he said he was, right after he said "but i got some good presents" (admitting your a jw seemed to be awkward for him) as he is the only jw in his family.

i told him that my parents were as well and my grandparents went to the same hall as he did many years ago.

undercover

Sounds like different areas had different ideas of what was acceptable or not. Where I grew up, dating outside the "truth" was a definate no-no. Not a DFing offense but one that brought swift and terrible retribution in the form of "marking", losing privilages, service meeting parts about the dangers of said offense and elders constantly "counseling" the "erring" one, both publicly and privately.

Dating inside the congregation was about as fun as watching paint dry. Chaperones were the order of the day. A dating couple could not be alone together, ever. Not in a car, not in a house, not at the movies, not at dinner. Someone was to always be present. Group dating was encouraged(not to be confused with group sex). Not that we all adhered to these rules, but when found out, we got "called on the carpet" for it.

I've always wondered about the "marrying outside the lord" bit. There are more scriptures to back that policy up more than the ones for smoking or blood transfusions but yet while smoking or taking blood gets you DFd, marrying an unbeliever doesn't. Why not make it a DFing offense? Is there some kind of legal problem in forbidding someone to marry?

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Being Theocratic Before Meetings

by Nosferatu in

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friends

one thing that my mother was trying to instill in me was to be "theocratic" before the meetings.

many times i would drive me and my mother to the meetings while listening to "wreckx-n-effect" or "ac/dc".

she would usually give me hell for this and told me i should listen to kingdom melodies to get my mind prepared for the meeting.. another "problem" was the conversations that went on before meetings (or even on field service) where me and someone else my age would be talking about something completely unrelated to the "truth".

undercover

Blondie, I remember that about the tapes. I knew a guy that did that. Cassette tapes have those holes on the ends to protect you from accidentally recording over them. The Bethel brothers taped over the holes on the Kingdon Melodies tapes and recorded their own favorite music on them. They took the tape off after recording and no could tell it had been done.

In our house, the rule was no TV on meeting nights. Before or after. All thought process was to be on theocratic things. At first, Saturdays after service and Sundays after meetings were not included, but one time she tried to force it. With 3 males in the household that loved to watch NFL games, she quickly lost that fight.

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Need Information

by Scorpion in

does anyone have any recent entire quotes (1993-2003) from watchtower literature stating that the organization is god's true church or religion, or putting trust in the organization etc?

or anything coming close to where the wt claims inspiration or infallibility?

i have some recent quotes but am looking for more.

undercover

If you look under "organization" in the reference book, it will direct you to other key phrases. I can't remember them all now. I found the more damning quotes under those headings instead of under the "organization" heading. I don't have access to any materials here or I would look it up.