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SHOULD YOU BELONG TO A CHURCH? - June 1st WT

by Mary in

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oh god........for those of you who don't have access to all the latest spiritual food

page 1 "...were the flood survivors simply individuals fortunate enough to have randomly escaped destruction?

the bible account shows that this was not the case.

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Signficantly, God did not inform each individual about the coming Flood. Rather, he told Noah who in turn warned his contemporaries of the approaching Deluge

Where in the Bible does it say that Noah warned his contemporaries?

Nowhere in the flood account does it say that Noah warned people of the flood.

The book of Matthew says that when the deluge came people were not knowing (the NWT says "took no note" trying to twist the actual text - look it up in the purple interlinear bible).

Noah was called a "preacher of righteousness" later by Peter or Paul(I can't remember) but that doesn't mean that he "warned" anyone of impending doom. HIs following direction from God and surviving the flood can classify him as a "preacher of righteousness".

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What Are Things Jehovah's Witnesses Peculiarly Do?

by minimus in

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jws seem to be preoccupied with "the world".

if a witness does anything out of line----they are considered "worldly".

she's "worldly".

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Who cares what someone says to you or behind your back. Don't be so insecure. Your just a bunch of cry babies. Just sit back and take a look at yourselves. Here complaining about what some jerk said to you!! Probably years ago!!!! Get Real Be real men and women and grow up. I hope I am not making you cry.

Let's see you drive a Viper or Ferrari to all the meetings. Ride a custom chopped motorcycle to all the social events. Don't wear a tie to the meetings. Grow a goatee or a beard. Wear gold chains (over your shirt, ala Mr. T). Go see Kill Bill at the movies tonight and then go to the service meeting and tell everyone you see what a great movie it was. Go out on a guys nite with people from work and hit the local strip clubs and brag about it to your service partner this Saturday. Go dancing with some girls from work and tell your elder friends how much fun you had. Read Crisis of Conscience by Ray Franz and comment to the elders how you liked it or didn't like it. Do all that and see if nobody cares.

The point is, there is a corridor of indiviuality as a witness but it's very narrow. Go too far off that path and you will be looked down on, counseled or marked if you refuse to comply. I don't mind being looked down on by certain people because they don't like my car or suit, but if you believe in your religion, why would you want to go so far off the santioned path of behavior if you know it will get you in trouble?

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What Are Things Jehovah's Witnesses Peculiarly Do?

by minimus in

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friends

jws seem to be preoccupied with "the world".

if a witness does anything out of line----they are considered "worldly".

she's "worldly".

undercover

I gotta disagree with you on the "typical witness" angle. I think the typical witness tries not to be strange or weird. I think the typical witness tries to be a witness at the hall, in service and at home maybe but outside of that they try hard to fit in as best they can. They may avoid situations where fitting is would be hard, but when out and about they want to appear as normal. The diehard, zealous witness does stick out as strange or weird. They stick out even amongst other witnesses. Of course, if all the witnesses followed the "principles" and "suggestions" as laid out in their publications and meetings, then, yes, they would all stick out as weird and strange.

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Did You Know A "Bad" Elder or Circuit Overseer???

by minimus in

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was there ever a person that you just "knew" to be a "bad guy"?

i knew a co. his name was [edit] angelacos.

he loved to go into congregations and remove elders.

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Did You Know A "Bad" Elder or Circuit Overseer???

Yes. Lots of em.

But, I knew good ones too. The fact that there are good and bad the same as in everything else shows me that the elder body does not have God's spirit any more than any other religion or group. It's just a group of men who followed the rules of the religion enough so as to get a headship role. That in itself does not mean he is good or bad.

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New Film game -- guess the film from the line

by stillajwexelder in

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here is how it works -- i will start -- i am going to give a line from a film -- the person who replies has to guess the film and then they have to give a new line from any film they choose - and the next person has to guess that film and then they post a line i will start.

"son your ego is writing checks your body can't cash"

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"Vanity, it's still my favorite sin"

I'm thinking this is Bedazzled.

Nope, Englisman was right. Devil's Advocate. If it's in Bedazzled then they lifted it from DA.

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Work Experience Brings Back Strange Memories ...

by Wild_Thing in

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so we all know that growing up in the organization can truly screw you up ... i am living proof.

but what happened today is over the top .... i am a school teacher.

i know of this situation involving two step-brothers (9 and 10 years old) who live together.

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Sunnygal, I agree with you, it's hard to reason with a two year old the same way you would with a 13 year old. I think people need to realize that babies and toddlers just are not going to sit still for two hours no matter what you do. Hitting them is not the answer.

I listed the two examples as extremes that I have seen in the hall. There are both good and bad parents in the organization. What I didn't mention but does have some bearing, is that the sensible father, was a sensible, merciful, good man while the evil grandfather who beat his grandaughter was just a terrible person. Both were elders, but definately were worlds apart at how they followed Christ's example.

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Work Experience Brings Back Strange Memories ...

by Wild_Thing in

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so we all know that growing up in the organization can truly screw you up ... i am living proof.

but what happened today is over the top .... i am a school teacher.

i know of this situation involving two step-brothers (9 and 10 years old) who live together.

undercover

Just what I thought, you have a fear of man!!! You were afraid of the people in the religion. .... You were afraid to be yourself because you thought too much of what they elders said or what other people think.

It's not fear of man that we have/had, it was a fear of God. The WTS uses this fear of God to control its members. But you're right in one sense because this fear of God does over time become a fear of man. We replace God with the WTS and its representatives. Once we realize that the WTS does not speak for God we realize that we were fearing the wrong entitiy. We obeyed and feared retribution for not towing the line because we thought it was displeasing to God but in actuality it was fear of the WTS. Someone true to themselves will realize that and no longer allow the WTS to influence them.

I do feel most are unqualified and a bunch of hyopcrites but I don't care what they think. I can sit in a bar with my wife and friends or go to any movie I want. I am not a slave to what other people think.

I doubt that your a JW in good standing. That, or you're leading a double life(tm). You accept some of the teachings of the WTS. In fact, I think they are right about a couple of things myself. But this does not mean that they are God's organization. They claim they are. Some of their doctrines have been proven wrong. Their predictions have not come true. All these things that they speak in the name of God were wrong. So they got the teaching on hellfire correct. Big deal. Is this enough to warrant giving your allegiance to them? If you're not a slave to them, why do you worship with them? Why are you afraid to leave?

You probably replaced your fear of brothers with something else. .... I bet your still not a "free" person.

As I stated before, I replaced my "fear" of God/WTS with freedom of religious dogma. I do not accept any religion as speaking for God nor will I ever let religion have any significant influence in my life. In the context of religious discussion, that is freedom.

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New Film game -- guess the film from the line

by stillajwexelder in

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friends

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here is how it works -- i will start -- i am going to give a line from a film -- the person who replies has to guess the film and then they have to give a new line from any film they choose - and the next person has to guess that film and then they post a line i will start.

"son your ego is writing checks your body can't cash"

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1. "Hello...my name is Inigo Montoya...You killed my father...prepare to die."

Princess Bride

2. "Well, this one goes to 11."

Spina Tap

3. "Arsenal can't score two at Anfield!"

dunno

4. "Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes."

Godfather

5. "I'm telling you it's Keyser Soze!"

darn it can't remember.

6. "We're getting the band back together"

Blues Brothers

7. "'shay 'ello to mah leetle vrend!"

Scarface

8. "A football team is made up of two sides...offense AND defense. Respect will be paid!"

Sounds familiar but dont know

9. "My girlfriend sucked 36 d!&*$!"
"In a row?"

Clerks

10. "You go in the cage; the cage goes in the water; You're in the water; The Shark is in the water: our shark."

Jaws

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New Film game -- guess the film from the line

by stillajwexelder in

jw
friends

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here is how it works -- i will start -- i am going to give a line from a film -- the person who replies has to guess the film and then they have to give a new line from any film they choose - and the next person has to guess that film and then they post a line i will start.

"son your ego is writing checks your body can't cash"

undercover

Blues Brothers

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning"

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Work Experience Brings Back Strange Memories ...

by Wild_Thing in

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friends

so we all know that growing up in the organization can truly screw you up ... i am living proof.

but what happened today is over the top .... i am a school teacher.

i know of this situation involving two step-brothers (9 and 10 years old) who live together.

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So what do you believe that is so great and mind freeing?

If you're referring to another belief system, I don't have one. I have come to the conclusion that organized religion is just man's way of controlling other men, in the name of God. You're not sure if there is a true religion, I'm not sure there is a God. I'm sure that God doesn't operate through any of the religions that I'm aware of.

But what is great is being myself, thinking for myself, deciding for myself and living the way I want to, not the way some publishing company wants me to. The benefits are great. No meetings to attend. Saturday mornings are for what I want to do instead of selling magazines. No report slips to fill out and turn in to be scrutinized by unqualified men. I can go to the movies and not worry about being seen in line for an R-rated movie. I can go sit at bars with friends and neighbors and not worry that I might be seen and reported to the elders.

What is so great is that I am free. Free from the dictates and dogma of religion.