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  Do You Think Your Family & Friends Will Ever Get Out Of The Religion??

  by minimus in

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  can you imagine certain ones making it out of the religion, somehow, sometime?

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  Ya know, with some of the older ones, sometimes I think it's best to not bust their bubble.

  Say they're seventy or eighty and been a JW for all or most of their lives. Somebody comes along and pulls the rug out from underneath them. What do they have left? Their life is almost over and they have spent it supporting an organiztion that isn't what it says. It might be enough to have them give up on life. It might be in their best interest to let em be.

  I'm thinking of several older ones that I remember from the halls that I attended who are considered pillars of the congregation, mostly sisters. They are sweet, decent, kindly old folks who nobody would want to see hurt. To destroy their belief system would destroy them. The WTS is evil and bastards for taking advantage of such people but these old folks weren't out to hurt anyone.

  It's a conundrum.
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  Do You Think Your Family & Friends Will Ever Get Out Of The Religion??

  by minimus in

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  can you imagine certain ones making it out of the religion, somehow, sometime?

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  Yes, there are some that will get out. In some ways some of them are already out (inactive) but are deceiving themselves that it is still the true religion. In time I think that they will realize the things that I have already realized. I hope to help them in some way. But there are others who are in too deep and who really believe it. There is no reasoning, arguing or discussing it with them. They refuse to see anything other than what they are told by the WTS. With those family members it's best to keep any discussion of religion from coming up.
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  Who is the most famous person you know or have met?

  by confusedjw in

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  just wondering what experiences you good folks have had with the the famous (or infamous)?

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  What? Nobody said Mike Musto?

  A. J. Foyt - Probably the greatest race car driver ever.

  I met Dale Earnhardt (Sr). He gets my vote for best driver.
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  FDS Sends Convention Delegates Packin'

  by ezekiel3 in

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  2. friends

  jehovah's witness across north america are being sternly counseled at this week's service meeting that they should pack lunches during the 2004 dictrict convention instead of leaving the site to eat elsewere or return with food.

  in a letter read during the announcements, members are told this is a "serious problem".

  reportedly jws have been banned from some convention locations because the venues want concession stand business if jws insist on bringing carry-out meals into the facility.

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  We have always been encouraged to pack our lunch, since packing became the thing to do. They make a point when they say if we leave then we miss out on fellowship with the brothers and sisters.

  I'm not saying it's a bad thing to take your lunch. It is cheaper and easier for a lot of people especially people with large families. You do get to talk and visit more. That's not a bad thing either.

  What makes me bristle is that the WTS has a letter read from the stage, admonishing us to not eat outside the facility during lunch AT ALL and then read some scriptures as if this some biblical mandate. The story of it makes for good fellowship sounds good and all, but it's just a smoke screen to keep us on the property, our dollars going into their contribution boxes instead of McDonald's cash registers, or, God forbid, city concessions run right under the WTS noses.

  You are right about one thing though. If it's all BS, why go? I don't plan on it myself but many here go at the pleading of family members who are still active.
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 5-23-04 WT Study (4-15-04)

  by blondie in

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  2. bible

  comments you will not hear at the 5-23-04 (week of 5-17 to 5-23-2004) wt study (4-15-04)

  paragraphs 1-2. being made in god?s image, humans have the capacity to reflect godly attributes.. there was a time that the wts used to say "man" was created in god?s image.

  " man was created first and for some time was alone, being in god?s image by himself.

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  All too many earthly rules, religious or otherwise, exhaust the people with wearisome burdens of endless rules and thankless tasks.

  Point 1. HA! This coming days after a letter is read to the congregations saying that the dubs are not to go out for lunch at the upcoming District Conventions.

  Point 2. I must have slept a good bit of my career as a JW. It wasn't until after I started having doubts that I realized that Jesus is not considered mediator for all Christians, just the anointed. Now I see that the ransom sacrifice doesn't apply to non-anointed ones either, at least not yet. Has this always been the teaching? Where the hell was I all this time? Just what does apply to the Great Crowd? Just the wearisome burdens of endless rules and thankless tasks?
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  Blacks can't speak English - Bill Cosby

  by closer2fine in

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  sorry if this was already posted, i did a search & didn't see it.. .

  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?article_id=38565.

  minority report.

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  Which vernacular does, "What's the schnizzle, my nizzle?" fall under?
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  Did You Ever Get Into A Fight In Your Dub Days?

  by Englishman in

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  i did, several times.. once on a bus to an assembly, a bro took a swing at me and hit me on the cheek.

  we'd be sharing baby-minding duties at the assembly and he thought that i wasn't doing my share.

  in the ministry work, one time, some thugs decided to harass myself and a pioneer lad.

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  Only as a teen in high school. Nothing serious.

  I did see an occasional fight break out during pick-up football and basketball games between "brothers". Again nothing serious.
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  Mom Says She Probably Won't Go To Daughter's Wedding If Off Pioneer List

  by minimus in

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  my mother told me the other day that if push came to shove, she probably wouldn't go to my daughter's wedding if she knew she would be removed as a regular pioneer.

  she said that pioneering was something she chose to do over the last 40 plus years.

  if my daughter chose to marry an "unbeliever", then that was her decision.......obviously, some things are more important.

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  Good ole Mom. Nothing works like a little guilt trip. Make a big deal about it. Then ignore it. Then she'll claim that she's the one whos being mistreated when you leave her out of the plans (since she said she wasn't coming). All this and it has nothing to do with her and everything to do with your daughter and her having a happy wedding day. Moms. Ya gotta luv em.
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  Blacks can't speak English - Bill Cosby

  by closer2fine in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sorry if this was already posted, i did a search & didn't see it.. .

  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?article_id=38565.

  minority report.

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  He'll be accused of being an Uncle Tom, wait and see.
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  FDS Sends Convention Delegates Packin'

  by ezekiel3 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jehovah's witness across north america are being sternly counseled at this week's service meeting that they should pack lunches during the 2004 dictrict convention instead of leaving the site to eat elsewere or return with food.

  in a letter read during the announcements, members are told this is a "serious problem".

  reportedly jws have been banned from some convention locations because the venues want concession stand business if jws insist on bringing carry-out meals into the facility.

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  Sorry if this is a dumb question: Why don't they just accept the consessions at the venues????? What the hell is wrong with that????

  It's not a dumb question. It's a great question. Why not just use the concessions? Maybe their concerned with the concessions being open the entire day, tempting the dubs to go out and get a Coke and a hotdog instead of listening to the visiting Bethel speaker. I'd think they could negotiate that the concessions be open only before and after sessions.

  I have heard that the WTS doesn't want "worldly" types mingling in with the dubs and this is what you would get if "worldly" concessions are used. Not a very good argument to me. Wouldn't this be the perfect time to "give a good witness"(tm) to these unfortunate ones who might not otherwise have heard the good news?

  Edited to say: I just read Elsewhere's comment. I like his answer better.