Posts by undercover

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What if potential convert sat in back of K.H. and talked w/ shunned j.w.'s?

by hubert in

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i've been hearing a lot about shunned j.w.

's having to sit in the back of the kingdom halls when they go to meetings.. so, what would happen if a new bible study person went to the kingdom hall for sunday meeting, (or whatever) and sat in the back of the hall, and talked to the shunned j.w.'s?

also, are there always shunned j.w.

undercover

I have an experienced of a an "interested one" conversing with a DFd person at the hall:

Before I faded away and still went to a few meetings a month we took a friend who was researching different religions to a Sunday meeting(not to convert him, but for him to see how dull it really was). A DFd person that I had grown up with was there also. By coincidence, my interested friend knew my DFd friend. Not knowing the WTS policy on DFing and shunning, he went right up to the DFd person and started talking. I was mildly shocked at first and then thought, well, he's not a JW, he can talk to whoever he wants.
The DFd person was very ill at ease and didn't even get up to shake the other guys hand or carry on much of a conversation. The intersted guy was confused as to why he received what he perceived as a cold shoulder from him. We tried to explain the situation but he didn't understand and I was embarrassed that he was embarrassed and that my DFd friend was embarrassed.
I talked to my DFd friend a few days later(yea, I know, for shame, for shame) and he expressed regret in how he snubbed the other guy who had no idea about the shunning policy. He asked me to apologize for him and said if he had it to do over again he would behave as if they were out in public somewhere and ran into each other.

That was another little light bulb going off in my brain. Another "something ain't right about this" that pushed me further out the door.

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millions now living will never die 2000-2001 wt or awake?

by johnny cip in

around 2000 or 2001 there was and wt or awake.

that said" we can confidently say today that millions now living will never die" as to say this applied to today or this generation.

i had many arguements with jw's at the time on this one quote.

undercover

Bill Maher on his HBO show the other night said that a recent poll showed that 17% of Americans think that the world is going to "end" in their lifetime.

He was just flabbergasted at that. Nuclear bombs maybe, war definately...but that the world was going to "end"...no life..total extinction... it was unthinkable on his part. He couldn't believe that anyone would think that way. I guess he's never met a Jehovah's Witness, huh?

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Awsome new search tool... Google Desktop

by Elsewhere in

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friends

yesterday i installed google's new search tool: google desktop (http://desktop.google.com/).

this thing is great!

i have to admit that i am an information pack-rat and i am constantly saving files, documents, scanned papers, images i find on the internet, pictures from my camera, news articles and even things from this website.

undercover

oooops. I don't know what happened to the post before.

I'll delete the previous post

Go to Yahoo news. they have an interesting article about the Google Desktop Search.

I tried to post the link, but it doesn't work either. Damn PC gremlins.

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Awsome new search tool... Google Desktop

by Elsewhere in

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friends

yesterday i installed google's new search tool: google desktop (http://desktop.google.com/).

this thing is great!

i have to admit that i am an information pack-rat and i am constantly saving files, documents, scanned papers, images i find on the internet, pictures from my camera, news articles and even things from this website.

undercover

nevermind. didn't work. see post below

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Wild Turkey or Jim Beam?

by under74 in

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i think i'm partial to wild turkey but i do like jim beam (black label).

i used to like jack daniels but they've lowered the proof so i refuse to buy it now.

one of my friends is convinced they both taste like piss...i don't quite understand that...i mean they both do what they're supposed and they don't taste bad to me....any preferences out there?

undercover

Gentleman Jack

Woodford Reserve

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Sunday's WT study at the local KH

by Mulan in

my jw friend called me this morning to complain about the wt study yesterday.

it was all about apostates.

evidently some in that cong.

undercover

that is one of the best posts I have ever read. I am saving it and printing it out.
Thank you. Even a veteran ex-jw like me, when faced with dealing with family crisis/issues after awhile as I have been in the past week, need to be reminded exactly how clear the issue is, and why I cherish my freedom so much.
Much obliged. I'm giving you a standing ovation over here.
~esmeralda

Oh, gee.... you're making me blush over here

But I'm glad it helped. You're most welcome. and thank you for the ovation(takes a bow)

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WTS Double Standard on the Blood Issue

by undercover in

here's a few quotes from the wts website concerning blood:.

i won't bore you with the entire article; i'll just list the things that caught my eye.. http://www.watchtower.org/library/hb/index.htm.

how can blood save your life?.

undercover

I can see what you're saying XQ about the official policy as far as the legal department goes, but Blondie is correct in that the local elders are going to look at the same info she quoted and if it's known or admitted that one of the four "components" was taken, there is going to be DAing.
In the end it's Brother Window-Washer who sits in judgement over the accused and the policy in the New York legal dept. doesn't mean anything.

Did you find the name of that DVD? Is it for all JWs or just the "blood elders"?

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Name Silly Reasons JWs Get Disfellowshipped

by minimus in

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i know an argument can be made that any reason is unjustifiable but i'm thinking more of the dumbest reasons.

for example, if 2 "witnesses" saw you buy a lottery ticket, you could be df'd for "greediness"......any others??

?

undercover

I thought the Bible said that "he who dies has been acquitted from his sin". So how can the elders DF a person who has already been "acquitted" according to their own Scriptures?

It was quite the controversy. I was young at the time and was not allowed to attend the funeral nor was I in on the adult conversations. I remember that some were very upset that the announcement was made. Your comment jogged my memory; it seems that I remember people saying something about the wages sin pays is death thus she has paid, leave it alone. Some people sided with the elders. They know best, let them decide.
If I remember correctly, the consensus was that since so many people already knew she was "living in sin", the congregation (read "the elders") didn't want any reproach brought on Jehovah (read "the organization"). What made it worse was that most of the congregation knew about her living arrangements. Somehow the elders didn't find out until someone squeeled. She wsa inactive, had been for some time but that didn't stop them from making a federal case of it. I don't really know for sure, but I can almost sense a vindictiveness about it since they were in the dark for so long.

Over the years, I had forgotten about this situation. I remembered it the other day after reading another thread on DFing. Bits and pieces of it are still coming to me over the last few days.

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Are You Psycho???

by minimus in

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friends

i liked frannie's question but i like this one even more!.......so are ya?

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undercover

but remember we are living in a "psycho world"...

Sung to the tune from Madonna's "Material Girl"...

"We are living in a psycho world and I am a psycho g(uy/irl)"

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Name Silly Reasons JWs Get Disfellowshipped

by minimus in

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friends

i know an argument can be made that any reason is unjustifiable but i'm thinking more of the dumbest reasons.

for example, if 2 "witnesses" saw you buy a lottery ticket, you could be df'd for "greediness"......any others??

?

undercover

I can't think of silly reasons (beyond the obvious) but I know of a couple of bizarre cases.

I know a guy who got DFd after he tried to fake his death. I think the official DFing cause was fornication because he was living with some woman while his wife and friends searched all over the ocean for his body.

I knew a girl who was DFd after she died. She was terminally ill, but it was found out that she was shacked up with some guy so a JC meeting wsa held. They met with her and decided to DF her. She died before the announcement. The announcement was made anyway, the funeral could not be at the hall and most of the congregation refused to go to the funeral.