Posts by Vienna

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Watchtower Exploitation Begins!

by metatron in

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over the weekend, various publishers/congregations were.

instructed to go out in service for a "special work".. some congregations received letters from circuit overseers.

emphasizing immediate use of old awake magazines with articles.

Vienna

quote from Troubled:

My husband and I were on vacation when we heard about the disasters at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. We cut our trip short and returned home.
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Did you fly home that same day? How hard was it to get flights out? You must of been pretty nervous to be on a plane after that had just happened. I feel your pain and sadness ((hug)). I'm glad you and your husband made it home okay.
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My thoughts after talking to my JW dad and reading posts from current JWs is that there are many Witnesses who feel truly awful about what happened on Tuesday. Going out in field service, they honestly feel they are doing an important work in comforting people.

That makes me the saddest of all.

To think that there are JWs who are encountering people at the doors and in light of what has happened this week--because people who don't know their bibles can't tell false from truth--they might be caught up in this false religion. Jesus makes that very clear in the bible--you need to receive Him in order to have etneral life. And knowing that people might be taken in by JWs at this emotional point in our history and not going to the true Jesus makes me want to cry all over again.

My hope is that people who are looking to God for answers not get caught up in the emotions of the moment, but do research and investigate what who the true God is and put faith in THAT God. I'm so sad my father is in a false religion, a cult, which is full of good people who don't understand (or care to investigate) truth.

If you have the right Jesus, you're right for all etnerity. If you have the wrong Jesus, you're wrong for all etnerity. Make no mistake about it. The JWs have the WRONG Jesus--as a Christain ex-JW, some days my heart is so heavy when I think about that that it makes me sad beyond words. Lives are at stake in our beliefs, because there is life beyond this earth.

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ouija boards

by radar in

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have any of you tried it?.

radar

Vienna

Read a book on Ouija board experiences and research--pretty much summed up what I knew all along. They are controlled by demons, pretty plain and simple. Many examples of the person using the board for long periods of time, and after awhile, the demons don't communicate to the person via the board anymore--they just deal with the person directly, at any and sometimes all times of the day.

Don't want that in my life, that's for sure. Jesus is the light of the world...that's all I need! :)

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Our American Flag

by Vienna in

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doesn't it feel good to not be a jw at this point in history?

through the fear of the last few days, i do have comfort from scripture about my eternal salvation through jesus (as a witness you never felt secure with god--don't miss a meeting or field service for long or you're out), but also because my husband and i can display our american flag on our cars and in front of our house to support our country!.

as americans, we will not stand for terrorism and i'm proud to be in this country.

Vienna

Thanks for your comments--I love you guys! You all understand what we have overcome as JWs and I feel our pride in America comes from a place deep inside that was always there, but were told was wrong. As a child, teenager and young adult not saluting the flag, I felt SO guilty. Here I was getting all of the benefits from this great country, but I can't show my respect???? You all understand how good it feels now.

FrightMare--which hate group do you belong to?

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Our American Flag

by Vienna in

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doesn't it feel good to not be a jw at this point in history?

through the fear of the last few days, i do have comfort from scripture about my eternal salvation through jesus (as a witness you never felt secure with god--don't miss a meeting or field service for long or you're out), but also because my husband and i can display our american flag on our cars and in front of our house to support our country!.

as americans, we will not stand for terrorism and i'm proud to be in this country.

Vienna

Doesn't it feel good to not be a JW at this point in history? Through the fear of the last few days, I do have comfort from scripture about my eternal salvation through Jesus (as a Witness you never felt secure with God--don't miss a meeting or field service for long or you're out), but also because my husband and I CAN DISPLAY OUR AMERICAN FLAG ON OUR CARS AND IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE TO SUPPORT OUR COUNTRY!

As Americans, we will not stand for terrorism and I'm proud to be in this country. We couldn't do any of this as a Witnesses or feel this way, because you are not "allowed" to.

What true freedom we have now, and as a country it's obvious we have been blessed and through this with prayer, we are pulling together as a country.

I am proud to be an American.

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Inappropriate Guilt & the September 2001 KM

by Nicodemus in

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with respect to the article on the back page of the september 2001 km which has been reproduced in another thread, it is my hope that all hard-working jehovahs witnesses consider the balanced counsel provided in the official journal of jehovahs witnesses, the watchtower, as highlighted herein:.

w92 11/1 17 education with a purpose.

if married, a man should be able to provide properly for his wife and any children that may be born, with a little extra to give to those in need and to support the local and worldwide preaching work.ephesians 4:28; 1 timothy 5:8.. .

Vienna

What's in the 2001 KM?

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She knows they're wrong, but she doesn't care . .

by indireneed in

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i posted some questions a while ago about my wife, and now i'm lost.

i put together a 200 page exposition on how the governing body are false witnesses using only watchtower literature (scans and the cd) and showing how they claim to be the salvation and that people shouldn't think for themselves, showed it to my wife, and she simply told me that she knew all those things and that if she could she would divorce me.

it's all in the bible.. the weird thing is though, the next morning, she pretended like things are fine.

Vienna

indireneed: Sounds like what I used to do to my husband. He would show me some fact and in my head I would go "Oh man! That can't be true!", only in my head, all the while I would say to him "I knew that. It's not a big deal, why even bother showing me?" And be mad at him for the rest of the day.

I never wanted him to know what I was thinking, and the shock of it caused me to be on the defensive. Be patient. If she's anything like me, she DOES care but she is not going to let you know, especially if you're hounding her in the "I'm right, you're wrong" way my husband used to. It wasn't until he approached me in a more humble nature (after many, many months later), showing me from the Bible (I couldn't argue with scripture when it was telling me the opposite of what the WT was teaching) that I broke down my wall and said I was having doubts, could they really be wrong? We talked, studied topics together, and well, the rest is history.

How are you approaching her? Are you talking about it often during the day (also cause for defense)?

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Sad. Very, very, sad.

by outcast in

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http://www.witnessesonline.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/witnessesonline/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000098

Vienna

Wait a minute--someone decides to MOW THE LAWN when there are like THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of dead bodies just laying around?????? Boy, talk about keeping you assigned bookstudy Kingdom Hall cleaning for the week.

It reads like a comic book. What a joke. [8>]

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Where Do I Go Now? Is There An Answer??

by individual in

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with all the problems in the 'truth' and all the things that we know are wrong with it there seems to be aspects of their theology (i.e the sequences of the world powers, statue in daniel, the promise of world restoration again found in daniel) that to me still make sense.

although i cannot follow a religion that believes in the destruction of all humanity barring those that respond to their own preaching work i still believe in a creator and cannot accept the teachings of other religions that have no purpose for the earth and believe that mankinds only destiny is in heaven.

my mind keeps telling me that if god was behind a religion it would be so much better than that of the jws.

Vienna

Hey, I just noticed I'm a Senior Member now! Does this mean I get special discounts? (Vienna pulls out her 'Senior Member' card at the local steakhouse and gets a blank stare.)

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Where Do I Go Now? Is There An Answer??

by individual in

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with all the problems in the 'truth' and all the things that we know are wrong with it there seems to be aspects of their theology (i.e the sequences of the world powers, statue in daniel, the promise of world restoration again found in daniel) that to me still make sense.

although i cannot follow a religion that believes in the destruction of all humanity barring those that respond to their own preaching work i still believe in a creator and cannot accept the teachings of other religions that have no purpose for the earth and believe that mankinds only destiny is in heaven.

my mind keeps telling me that if god was behind a religion it would be so much better than that of the jws.

Vienna

Man, oh man, I remember the first time I prayed to Jesus after I left the JWs--it was SO weird! *lol* And it took awhile to even SAY that prayer to Him, I had been gone for about a year. But like after reading some of those scriptures (some Kes posted), mainly "Anything you ask me in the name of me, this I will do." I said, okay here goes!!!!

I asked His direction in helping not only to find truth, but get a deeper meaning of what was truth, from understanding heaven's purpose, to what happens when I die, to who Jesus was in every form and in relation to the Father, and who Jesus came to earth to die for (sounds stupid, but after being a JW we're basically lead to believe WE were only the ones He had died for, I mean, everyone not a JW is supposed to not receive life. So I needed to re-understand Jesus' purpose, if that makes sense.)

So, I prayed and all of my general questions have been answered--not right away--but in time and through reading the Bible, sermons, worshipping with fellow believers, reading more, etc. It's been a great journey, and it's never over. :)

Don't stop your desire to serve God, because he created us with that desire, thankfully. Keep searching and you will find Him.

(Edited two typos)

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Question for you JW's or non JW's about 1935?

by Brutus in

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how do you prove from the bible that 1935 was the year that the selection to heaven stopped due to being filled?

Vienna

Interesting to note that Judge Rutherford said he received a "revelation" to this effect that the year 1935 filled the slots for 144,000. Could it of been bad chili that made him have this "revelation"?

Knowing this, how can a JW base his whole SALVATION on some revelation some guy had?

Why is your salvation at stake? Because no where in the Bible does Jesus limit the citizenship of heaven to 144,000 people--if you use the references in Rev. 7 or 14, there is NO SUCH VERSE that limits those who go to heaven!

Guess who's in heaven in Revelation? The 144,000 (14:3), the angels (7:11), the 24 elders (5:8), and guess who else: the great crowd in Rev. 7:9 (see also 19:1).

JWs have no clue where they are going when they die, because what the Bible teaches and what the Watchtower teaches are TWO differant things. I think you should find out right away. Shelf life of humans: 75 years. Get busy!!!