if one has a question that they need to present to the branch for clarification e.g.
- info regarding a teaching that one does not understand, where should the letter be addressed to and to whose attention should it be presented?.
I have the answer to my question... I want to see if any response is provided to it that makes a lick of sense? I don't want to post it here first because that would be seriously incriminating and they probably would avoid answering it all together.
Thanks for the info jgnat
to answer some of your questions.
i phone my son on thursday and was able to help him get his paper work in order for, get this: "college".
we're good.. the wife and i have about 10 family members that are jw's as well as over 12 close friends, 100's of friends in 5 states.
LOL James... N.F.L. - when I was at Bethel I remember that blowhard telling us how AMERICAN and he stressed "AMERICAN" football was barbaric and like watching roman gladiators go at it....
I sat there staring at the screening thinking... WTF IS HIS PROBLEM LOL
Good story
if one has a question that they need to present to the branch for clarification e.g.
- info regarding a teaching that one does not understand, where should the letter be addressed to and to whose attention should it be presented?.
If one has a question that they need to present to the branch for clarification e.g. - info regarding a teaching that one does not understand, where should the letter be addressed to and to whose attention should it be presented?
when i would go out in service and discuss the issue of "universal sovreignty" i always wondered why in the back of my mind why the angels needed to have proven to them that jehovah was worthy of worship alone and not satan.
no doubt they would have known he was aall powerful.
he created everything... and most importantly he was god.
@new hope - I don't go anymore... We are on a drop dead fade. I have not been in months neither has she...
I just ignore their calls at this point and spend our evenings with the kids chillin smoking the occasional cigar and watching lifetime movies till like 2 in the morning.
I just still get mad over the amount of time I have waisted and this is often the best place to let that out LOL
so, here i am almost 5 years after the big exit.
life during this time has been tumultous, joyous and sometimes full of tears.
got new friends, social circle moving well (i am an outgoing person), new girlfriend (after messy divorce of jw wife), own business.. but i knew something would come back and bite me into my rear-end:.
Same problem at FIRST.
The thing is you can say you did anything you wanted to while you were there. No one is going to check and if they do WTS does not in anyway tell anyone anything about past volunteers. I worked in cleaning and for my first job interview I told them that I managed a team of six people blah blah blah... which I kind of did ina round about way as I passed out "Neutral cleaner" spray bottles and Terry Cloth rags when we did lights and pipes.
WHo cares if anyone on there is a witness and says you didn't. Just don't accept that connection.
when i would go out in service and discuss the issue of "universal sovreignty" i always wondered why in the back of my mind why the angels needed to have proven to them that jehovah was worthy of worship alone and not satan.
no doubt they would have known he was aall powerful.
he created everything... and most importantly he was god.
its almost funny yet so so sad that a grown man or woman with any thinking ability never lets these things register. They are always in your mind, but get pushed to the back. So far back that you can make common sense just not matter anymore. Common sense becomes human or independent thinking which is evil and flawed so therefore its wrong.
I sometimes feel like punching myself in the face over the choices I made. The one positive aspect is if it wasnt for the WTS I would never have met my loving wife who has told me, "F*&k it - let's just not go anymore".
when i would go out in service and discuss the issue of "universal sovreignty" i always wondered why in the back of my mind why the angels needed to have proven to them that jehovah was worthy of worship alone and not satan.
no doubt they would have known he was aall powerful.
he created everything... and most importantly he was god.
When I would go out in service and discuss the issue of "Universal Sovreignty" I always wondered why in the back of my mind why the angels needed to have proven to them that Jehovah was worthy of worship alone and not Satan. No doubt they would have known he was aall powerful. He created everything... and most importantly he was GOD. What more proof did they need besides the fact that he said so?
If you were to ask any kid on the street of talking age if GOD should be the ruler of the entire universe or Satan I can almost garauntee that 95% would probably say God. The explanation WTS gives never really brought me any comfort and sort of makes you angry when you think about it
i had a conversation yesterday with my wife, who seems to think every good thing that happens to her just has to be jehovah, and every bad thing, she just knows is satan.
this irritates me to no end.
i told her yesterday that i have trouble praying to have relatively petty thing resolved in my life, meanwhile around the world, many people are raped mutilated, tortured, and killed everyday.
But Laverite - God obviously will not answer the sickly ychild dying of Malnutrition because
1. He is not a Christian so God can't help or listen to his prayerrs
i am thinking that maybe i missed this discussion or something.
now for years in the org i never ever paid attention to the article that says jesus is the mediator for the 144000 alone.
yesterday talking to my 70+ year old dad he got violently angry with me and threw his cane at me because he said i was a liar.. .
@Bobcat - I fully agree. I was being sarcastic in response to someone else LOL.
My bad LOL
where did russell get the notion that the 144k are a literal number, and that they are the rulers in heaven?
what do other religions believe this group to represent?.
what did john really mean?.
But why do we really have to think that God cares about squared numbers etc... 12*12000
Really is he that concerend about numbers? As if only exactly 144000 jews or humans in general deserve to be in heaven. Is it a first come first serve basis so that the guy who was 134,723 was not as much of a christian as some guy who is like 174,839 in the line of christians who is more spiritually in touch with god - but since he was born later it doesn't matter?
What are the real qualifications anyway? It seems like its all just a man made thought process if it is suppose to be a literal number. I just have no clue why God would work this way. What is more - why exactly will perfect people on earth need to be ruled over by 144001 others. Why isn't Jesus enough? It seems like this was like the opening of John said "Signs and symbols" as opposed to trying to pick out the few literal numbers that match your own desires.
The passage even mentions 12,000 from each of the various tribes... so EXACTLY 12,000. Is God really that concerned with that level of precision with HUMAN NUMBERS?
