Posts by Vitameatavegamin

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IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET?

by You Know in

when jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.

it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.

one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.

Vitameatavegamin

YouKnow,

Yes, the Society does base it's teachings on the Bible, that is not the argument here. But, maybe it is THEIR interpretation of the scriptures, not necessarily the absolute meaning. I have always wondered how the society arrives at the conclusion that they and they alone are the only group in the entire world that is able to accurately interpret Bible. How do they really know for sure? Every organized religion in the world feels that they are THE true one. And they can all use scripture to back up their position.

I am struggling with this issue as an inactive JW. I have seen and am currently experiencing much injustice all in the name of God and the Society. The Bible clearly states not to add to the things written. But, in my opinion, the Society puts their own spin on scriptures. They can justify anything they want to by quoting a scripture whether or not it directly means what they want it to. Personally, my belief is that God put in the Bible what he wanted us to understand clearly, such as commandments, etc. But there is so much to the Bible that is speculation, I think that as mere humans, we are just not qualified to understand everything 100% in the Bible. So much symbolism. Yes, I do respect the Bible very much and follow what I do understand. But maybe God will allow us to know more in His due time. Maybe we all should stop judging one another on issues maybe we don't completely understand yet.

Just my thoughts.

Thank you.

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IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET?

by You Know in

when jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.

it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.

one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.

Vitameatavegamin

Hi YouKnow,

I will agree that you have some good points. I do think that people will justify what they want to for selfish reasons and choose not to do Gods will and twist scripture to achieve such goals. However, I do have some questions regarding the Society being totally inspired by God. I have a hard time believing that everything the JWs put out is directed by Holy Spirit. We live in an imperfect world. The Watchtower Society is not immune to this fact. Even within the Org. there are corrupt people. People who are living "double lives" as it is put. We just may not see it or always know about it, but it does exist. There are cases of child abuse, pedophilia, family members being shunned by family members, freindships ripped to shreds, Elders who think that they run the congregation and we should follow them, a million and one opinions flying around as to interpretation of scripture, even with the Society's take on the matter, people being judged continuously, maybe we weren't at enough meetings this month, or we did not put in enough hours of service, so therefore, are considered bad associates this month, maybe you won't get congregation priviliges because you decided to have a vasectomy or sister so-and-so can't pioneer because she had her tubes tied and maybe it wasn't for a good enough reason, I could go on and on and on. My point is, I believe that individual people may be blessed with Holy Spirit because of wholehearted belief and application of scripture in their lives. Of course, nothing is perfect or fool-proof in this system. And I am not saying that all that is required is being a "good person". I think we have to have works to accompany this. The Bible says so. But, why would God bless an entire group just because they are what THEY say they are?? What about the people within who are flat out turds? Yes, they will be judged by God, as will the rest of us. But are we going to be destroyed just because we did not belong to the right group or because of the way we led our lives??? I could be wrong, but somehow I just can't beleive that God is that shallow.

Sorry to ramble on, some of this was hard to put into words.

You're thoughts?

Thanks,
Vita

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The REAL reason subscriptions have stopped!

by LDH in

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friends

i know there's a million more out there, so post 'em!.

whilst speaking with pops last night, i asked how he felt about not getting his subscription any more.

he was trying his best to be chipper about it.

Vitameatavegamin

Hi Guys!

I have had my own theorys on this matter. A friend and I were discussing this and were wondering if is not a way to try and get more people into the Kingdom Hall. If people are forced to go to get their mags, then they will have to be there. Improves their numbers too. I am sure that money is a factor in this as well. But, with the internet now and all the info available, they want those mags in the hands of sincere people only. They don't feel the mags are for recreational reading. Just a thought, I could be way off, but who knows!!

Thanks!

Vita

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I dont remember the date I was baptized....

by flower in

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friends

you know how at every baptismal talk they say to the candidates that they should 'make a note of this date june, 4 whatever..ect'?

and everyone knows that date for like the rest of their life?

well i dont remember when i was baptized.

Vitameatavegamin

July 21, 1984, the fiasco began.

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open marriages, anyone have experience?

by Pierced Angel in

well, my husband found out about my affair (yes, i gave in to the temptation with the soccer player and while it was fantastic, it's over now) and it's been a devestating time, we almost got divorced, but we're working through it.

i knew telling friends and this board wasn't going to help me fight his romantic advances, but i tried.

it was a one time thing that would have continued, but i wasn't too careful about the clues (guilty conscience i think).

Vitameatavegamin

This has got to be the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. People will justify ANYTHING even if deep down they know it is wrong. So far, the reasoning I am hearing on this is total horse puckey. I am not an active JW, but I do still hold basic Biblical beliefs. The scriptures do condemn adultery, plain and simple. Even if a husband or wife personally approves this open lifestyle, you are still having sex with a person who is not your spouse. God says that it is wrong. That should be reason enough for those who are not atheists anyway.

All I can say in the end is good luck, but I don't see anything good coming out of this other than cheap thrills for a night or two, YES
cheapening your marriage.[8>]

Whatever.

Vita

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open marriages, anyone have experience?

by Pierced Angel in

well, my husband found out about my affair (yes, i gave in to the temptation with the soccer player and while it was fantastic, it's over now) and it's been a devestating time, we almost got divorced, but we're working through it.

i knew telling friends and this board wasn't going to help me fight his romantic advances, but i tried.

it was a one time thing that would have continued, but i wasn't too careful about the clues (guilty conscience i think).

Vitameatavegamin

Sorry to be so rude folks, but I don't get the mentality with people today that think "anything goes", no rules, I'm ok your ok, etc. For those who still believe in the Bible, adultery is CLEARLY condemned. Where is your respect for your creator?? No, this is not JW mumbo jumbo. What the hell point is there in being married if you want to go out and "play the field"? Clearly, you have no respect for marriage and what it means. Even if you think you will still have the basic love and committment when you both go home every night(or day), you have without a doubt cheapened your relationship and the sanctity of your marriage is gone. The open marriage idea is an illusion. It can't lead to anything positive that is for sure. I hope you don't have children. What a terrible example to set for them. I am sorry for being so blunt, but I just don't buy the anything goes crap in society today. There is nothing sacred anymore it seems.

To the people out there who are living as if there is no God......you had better be right.

I will now prepare to have my head cut off. Proceed...........

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open marriages, anyone have experience?

by Pierced Angel in

well, my husband found out about my affair (yes, i gave in to the temptation with the soccer player and while it was fantastic, it's over now) and it's been a devestating time, we almost got divorced, but we're working through it.

i knew telling friends and this board wasn't going to help me fight his romantic advances, but i tried.

it was a one time thing that would have continued, but i wasn't too careful about the clues (guilty conscience i think).

Vitameatavegamin

One word: Adultery. Better think twice.

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Need some help

by Vitameatavegamin in

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friends

hello friends,.

i am in a situation that i am really at a loss as to what to do.. basically, we have quit going to meetings.

i really don't even want to be a part of the malarkey any longer.

Vitameatavegamin

Hello friends,

I am in a situation that I am really at a loss as to what to do.

Basically, we have quit going to meetings. I really don't even want to be a part of the malarkey any longer. But, as with alot of JWs, I am just trying to quietly fade away so as to avoid any hassles. Well, it is not working as well as I thought. My parents are very involved with the JWs, my father is an elder. I have a 13 year old son that loves to go over to their house to see my 19 year old brother(my son's uncle). Anyway, what has started happening is they only seen to want him over when there is something to do with a meeting or their family study. They have him over on meeting nights and sundays, but don't have alot else to do with him. My dilemma is that my son has no friends anymore in the cong. All the parents will not let their kids associate with my son, for all the reasons that need no further explanation. My son is a really good kid, by no means a bad associate for anyone. Better than alot of the kids in the Cong.
However, my son does not want to go to the meetings anymore and feels that if he does not, he will not be welcome at his grandparent's home, which is his only social life right now. He is too young to have to deal with this type of thing emotionally and it is taking it's toll. He grades are falling at school, he seems to be withdrawing socially and won't try to make new friends. He feels that to have the approval of his grandparents he has to go through all the hoops even though it is not in his heart to do all this. He has to make them believe he want's to go to the K.H. because he is afraid. I have had it with all of this nuttiness. How do I handle this with my parents? I too admittedly lack courage to really tell them. But my son is faced with losing his only social outlet. What should I do?? I would really like your opinions in this matter. Thanks so much!!!!!

Vita

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