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  This Article from the Sep KM is very interesting

  by chester in

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  i thought this article from the september 2001 kingdom ministry was very interesting.. get out there and sell those books!!!.

  is it an obstacle to preaching?.

  most people lead busy lives.

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  same old stuff from years and years ago.

  I bet the writer only had to look up the old articles kept
  on file, and change the order of the words here and there.
  Probably didn't even look up the scriptures quoted in his article.

  Many people now have to work long hours just for
  "sustenance and covering." And many also can't take time off
  for vacations. (Something the WT thinks everyone can do in
  order to attend the conventions!)

  I wonder if the writer of this article has had to worry about
  providing "sustenance and covering" for himself? Most likely
  he has been at Brooklyn for so many years, he has forgotten
  what it is like to work at a real job.

  --VM44
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  Cruel Pre-1975 Teaching Point - Persecution

  by Amazing in

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  persecution: sometime around late 1973 early 1974, when jws everywhere were in eager anticipation of armageddon breaking out, we also feared something else.

  prior to armageddon, there would be the great tribulation, and just about this time we expected heavy persecution, so much so, that is was hard to help bible studies (newbies) to get over this fear.. service meeting part: during a service meeting, the elder giving the part was speaking about such persecution and of course all this was prefaced with our obedience to jehovah and his organization, doing all the works, meetings, etc.

  .... ... as he spoke, there was suddenly loud banging on all of our entry-exit doors.

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  Great Post Amazing, you described the fear that was among the
  JWs during the 1960s and 1970s.

  I remember the constant reminding by the witnesses that soon the
  persecution would break out, that the JWs would be taken from their
  homes, or taken from field service directly to concentration camps,
  forced to work in the agricultural fields, we would have to exist on
  very little food (these were additional embellishments I heard from
  an elder, a real Watchtower "Organization" man!)

  The elder, named Vincent Mancuso, (I am giving his name because he
  said these things from the platform, in public!) kept asking
  "Are You Going to Make It?" over and over again to the congregation.
  He made the comment about having little food during the Great
  Tribulation, so you better learn to eat smaller portions at dinner
  Right now! (Maybe he thought some children ate too much food!, he was
  a very opinionated man....little knowledge, but full of opinions!)

  This was typical....keep the people in fear, of persecution, of
  not making it into the new world....it was horrible!

  --VM44

  P.S. I think the JWs liked scaring childern, remember that famous
  picture from the "Paradise" book? The one showing little kids
  falling into an open chasm? along with their pets and toys?
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  Don't rely on Money for Retirement - W 8/15/01

  by Thirdson in

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  the three articles in the watchtower of 8/15/01 on the life of abraham take a real stretch of a biblical story in order to impose watchtower rules.

  on page 27, paragraph 8 the watchtower tries to make that point that many jws inflict themselves with many trials because they strive for material riches.

  that may be true but equally many face trials just trying to make a living or are trying to cope with retirement on a very limited income.

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  Hi Thirdson,

  Good post.
  Are those three articles "study" articles?

  Abraham being extremly wealthy is important to point out. I smile when I think
  that Rutherford was going to have him "share" a house with King David and others.

  ==VM44
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  What are the most stupid JW rule?

  by beroea in

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  what are the most stupid jw rule?.

  what do you consider to be the most stupid rules or tradition of the jw lives?

  im thinking about any kind of rule or regulative that only has one answer to the questions why:.

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  Timothy Galfas made the "Heritage" movie? That is interesting.
  Checking online, I see that the Presiding overseer of the
  Peachtree Congregationis Timothy Galfas, same person?
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  Does the WTBTS surf here? Question ANSWERED!

  by biblexaminer in

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  many have pondered the question.... "does the watchtower bible and tract society read what they themselves have labeled "apostate", whether it be books, or web sites?

  the answer to this question could be verified by a future "whistleblower", who perhaps worked in the watchtower's basement, but there is already enough proof for a definitive answer.. we will examine the question regarding the watchtower's "surfing habits" by means of proof as found in the awake of august 8, 2001. this article is currently being "placed" (sold) from door to door this month.

  i know, i 'sold' some.. on page 7 we find these paragraphs beneath a picture of a miserable looking guy surfing the inet in ramshackle surroundings... (the watchtower's basement no doubt).

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  Hi BibleExaminer,

  In your first quote from the Awake! magazine, is the author quoting someone else's
  writing? If so, do they give the proper reference?

  I ask this because I did a web search for the quoted phrase, "The purpose for making this
  page is to help the young members of the white race understand our fight"

  I found a page containing this sentence at:
  < http://www.media-awareness.ca/eng/issues/internet/safety/hate/recruit.htm>;

  which also contains the material from the Awake! verbatim!!!!!!
  See footnote below.

  Has plagiarism occurred?

  I also found the sentence at the web sites:

  http://www.media-awareness.ca/eng/issues/internet/resource/salon.htm
  http://www.adl.org/special_reports/hate_on_www/www_wcotc.html
  http://www.adl.org/poisoning_web/wcotc.html
  http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw98-9/usa.html

  In this page, the word "fight" is replaced with the word "plight"
  http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/07/hate.groups/

  Footnote: So there is no mistake, here again are the quoted sentences
  which also appear at the first website that I mention above.

  ------
  When kids are surfing the Net for music, they can happen upon links to sites
  selling hate music, or offering it free for downloading. Hate music is usually
  loud and violent, with lyrics expressing strong racist messages. Web sites selling
  hate music often provide links to brochures, pamphlets, newsgroups, chat rooms
  or web sites promoting hate.

  Some hate sites offer special sections for kids containing games and activities.
  A dramatic example is the "Creativity for Kids" section of the neo-Nazi World
  Church of the Creator web site, a site that uses the Bible to justify racism and
  anti-Semitism. They've created a web site called "Creativity for Kids". This
  site offers, for instance, crossword puzzles with racist content. Its purpose?
  "To help the young members of the white race understand our fight."
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  Perfect Men Are Beardless!!

  by VM44 in

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  it is true!.

  from at least the 1940s to the 1960s the illustrations of.

  both adam and jesus in the watchtower publications showed.

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  Yes! It is true!

  From at least the 1940s to the 1960s the illustrations of
  both Adam and Jesus in the Watchtower publications showed
  them to be beardless!

  Was it Rutherford and his dislike of Russell's beard that was
  responsible for this teaching?

  It would be nice to know a print reference where this belief
  is stated.

  --VM44
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  What books did Fred Franz write?

  by VM44 in

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  does anyone know which watchtower books fred franz wrote?.

  i think the book "the nation's shall know i am jehovah" was.

  written by him, and the "newer" finished mystery book as well.. i am sure there are others, but i have never seen an actual list.

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  Bringing this to the top
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  WTS DISCOURAGES CERTAIN BOOKS

  by Amazing in

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  wts discourages certain books .

  as far back as 1972, the watchtower society discouraged certain books, especially in the kingdom hall library.

  what kind of publications should be found in the kingdom hall library?.

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  Books on serious secular subjects as science and mathematics would not
  be useful, mainly because books are not allowed to be checked out of
  the KH library, and there is not enough time to read such books before and
  after meetings.

  Some books that I recall being in a KH library were:

  * Watchtower Reprints...from the 1870s to 1916 or thereabout.

  * Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures.
  which someone had written, "Do not misuse what is contained
  in this book" inside the front cover.

  * Faith On the March.

  * Jehovah's Witnesses, by M. Cole.

  * Yearbooks going way back to the 1950s.

  * Bound Volumes for the Watchtower and Awakes, back to the
  1960s.

  * Many colorful study books going back to the 1950s, and 1950s.

  * Some of Rutherford's books (e.g. Creation)

  The most used books appeared to have been the bound volumes of
  the WT and Awake.

  The contents of this Hall's library is probably very representative of
  what is contained in libraries of other congregations.

  --VM44
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  What books did Fred Franz write?

  by VM44 in

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  does anyone know which watchtower books fred franz wrote?.

  i think the book "the nation's shall know i am jehovah" was.

  written by him, and the "newer" finished mystery book as well.. i am sure there are others, but i have never seen an actual list.

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  Does anyone know which Watchtower books Fred Franz wrote?

  I think the book "The Nation's shall Know I am Jehovah" was
  written by him, and the "newer" Finished Mystery book as well.

  I am sure there are others, but I have never seen an actual list
  of titles authored by the man.

  --VM44
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  Watchtower Stock Gamblers?

  by ros in

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  it was recently pointed out in another thread, the business mode of certain organizations to persuade people who have accrued a substantial estate to turn their holdings over to the organization in return for which the organization agrees to support them with a certain agreed income for the remainder of their life.

  the advantage for the organization comes with investing the money in stock or bond funds for an anticipated higher return than they expect to pay to the invester/doner, as well as getting the whole thing after the investor dies without any inheritance penalty.

  (is this a fair statement of the issue?).

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  Stock investing in solid companies is not gambling....but "investing" in
  risky things like derivatives is.

  Orange County (California) went bankrupt a few years ago because the
  County Tax collector invested heavily in so-called derivatives. The County
  experienced big time losses, and the nature of derivatives is such that
  they did not know where money went. (other than it was gone!)

  --VM44