watch.
1973 july 15 p.7 "questions from readers.
when did the dinosuars become extinct?".
"SCIENTISTS ARE LIMITED IN THIER KNOWLEDGE...that certain evidence DOES NOT SEEM TO SUPPORT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS about animal life in the past, should not cause one to reject God's inspired word"
That's also essentially what The Watchtower says about Ptolemy's Canon and the astronomical tablet VAT 4956 in that they both imply the year 586/7 BCE instead of 607 BCE for the destruction of Jerusalem.
watch.
1973 july 15 p.7 "questions from readers.
when did the dinosuars become extinct?".
Witness 007 posted this on the second page of this thread.
Another example of The Watchtower discouraging the asking of questions.
Witness 007 wrote:
Watch 69 9/1 p.543 "Question from readers. Some animals have characteristics that seem suited to killing, such as lions and piosonous snakes. How can this be if they were all vegetarians at one time? -L.K Netherlands."
"....is there anyone on earth who can say from personal observation how these animals acted 6000 years ago?...does mans ability to chew and digest meat prove that all men eat meat, or that men have always eaten meat? No...SCIENTISTS ARE LIMITED IN THIER KNOWLEDGE...that certain evidence DOES NOT SEEM TO SUPPORT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS about animal life in the past, should not cause one to reject God's inspired word...As an example a tiger can use it's fangs and claws, to catch, kill, tear apart other animals. Yet could not these same claws be used to tear apart heavy vegetation and ripping off husks and shells." {Tigers do love Pineapples and coconuts he he} "..the pioson spittle of snakes for example has work to do in the digestion of the snakes food. It is true that hundreds even thousands of problem cases can be brought up, that apparently indicate that animals always killed one and other....but should our lack of knowledge of God's creation cause us to lose faith in him and his word. should we let questions about preying animals prey on us?"
Watch 61 p.766 "...God set the perfect man and women on a vegetarian diet, without suggesting even dairy products...WE ARE NOT TO PREOCCUPY OURSELVES WITH THESE QUESTIONS... Noah had no deep freeze or refrigeration installation to preserve processed flesh foods...Noah was not asked to carry on a slaughterhouse in the Ark....Let us take the bibles position on the subject and NOT OVER OCCUPY OURSELVES WITH MERELY INCIDENTAL MATTERS, TO THE EXTENT OF WASTING TIME, THOUGHT, AND PEACE OF HEART, AND POSSIBLY STUMBLING OURSELVES INTO THE CAMP ON THE GODLESS EVOLUTIONISTS."
Yes everyone! Please stop asking these silly questions, and wasting time from Witnessing.
"crisis of allegiance" is a slim, but excellent book written by a professor of religion on the events in lethbridge, alberta, around 1981, that led to the expulsion of jim penton, a jw who believed he was anointed but also happened to think the wts had some doctrines wrong.. it's a great read that ties in quite closely with the campaign to get rid of ray franz, showing the dirty tricks used by the society to rid themselves of someone who dared to question them.
penton was an academic who the society loved when he wrote a book on their human rights legal challenges ... but when he expanded his research and decided to do a book on their history, pow!
they began regarding him with great suspicion.
Abebooks lists one used bookstore in Canada that has the book.
Here are the details:
CRISIS OF ALLEGIANCE A Study of Dissent Among Jehovah's Witnesses
Beverley, James A.
Bookseller: Apologia Words and Music (Mississauga, ON, Canada)
Quantity Available: 1
Book Description: Welch, 1986. Trade Paperback. Book Condition: Very Good, Wear. Assumed First, No History. Bookseller Inventory # 023570
Bibliographic Details
Publisher: Welch
Publication Date: 1986
Binding: Trade Paperback
Book Condition: Very Good, Wear
Edition: Assumed First, No History
Price: US$ 12.00
Shipping: US$ 10.00
From Canada to U.S.A.
watch may 1st 2008p.13 "solomon islands tsunami" "....when the sea subsided we salvaged bibles and songbooks {how about survivors, food and medicine?
no, soggy stinky books are better} the earthquake had destroyed most of their homes...their main concern was to replace their family bibles..." {don't worry about the babies food} .
{picture of kingdom hall} "this kingdom hall was the only building left standing at lale on ronnoga island.
"In the dark we sang songs of THANK YOU to Jehovah..."
What about Jesus? No thanks given to him?
Are these people really Christians?
does anyone know if rolf furuli's second book on chronology is still in print?.
his website is no longer online, so where can a person order his books?.
Augustin,
Thank you for the web information.
The webpage that used to be online was located at
http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/Chronlgy.htm
The web page you provide looks like Dr. Furuli's academic page.
On that page is listed his research progjects:
1) A new chronology for the Neo-Assyrian, Neo-Babylonian, and Persian empires. I study dated Akkadian cuneiform tablets and astronomical cuneiform tablets, in order to show that the traditional chronology, based on the second century astronomer, Claudius Ptolemy, is wrong. An expansion of the reigns of the Neo-Babylonian kings of 20 years, and an expansion of the reigns of the Neo-Assyrian kings of 20 to 40 years is suggested. Moreover, for the Persian empire, 3-5 extra years between Bardiya and Darius I, a co-regency of Darius I and Xerxes of about 15 years, and and addition of 10 extra years to the reign of Artaxerxes I is suggested.
2) When was the book of Daniel written? A linguistic, philological, and historical study. All known Aramaic documents from B.C.E., including the Dead Sea Scrolls, are compared with the Aramaic part of Daniel, in order to find linguistic evidence regarding the time when the text of Daniel was written. A philological study of all the fragments of Daniel among the Dead Sea Scrolls is performed, in order to see whether their variants suggest a textual history much longer back in time than c. 160 B.C.E., the almost universally accepted date for the composition of Daniel. The two principal Greek texts of Daniel, Theodotion and the Septuagint, and the Syriac texts are compared with the Hebrew and Aramaic texts of Daniel, and the historical contents of Daniel is studied for dating purposes. The working hypothesis is that the book was composed in the 6th century B.C.E., as the book itself says, and not in the middle of the 2nd century.
Also available is a large sized 2832 x 4256 picture of Dr. Furuli for press purposes.
http://www.ub.uio.no/personer/uhs/uhsfagstudier/rolffu/rolffu-pressebilde.jpg
does anyone know if rolf furuli's second book on chronology is still in print?.
his website is no longer online, so where can a person order his books?.
Does anyone know if Rolf Furuli's second book on chronology is still in print?
His website is no longer online, so where can a person order his books?
it will involve 2 special meetings on oct 22 and oct 29. the meetings will be a. watchtower summary.. a member of the us branch committee will give a report on "progress in the field.".
talk by a visiting zone overseer.
and a talk by the gb.. it will be "approx 2 1/2 hours in length.
Did the first century christians have zone visits?
And were "special" christians invited to attend?
i posted this as comment number one million in the nov 1 wt thread...but i'll post here too:.
i don't know if this has been discussed yet....but if it is agreed that vat 4956 is from the 37th year of nebuchadnezzar (the argument being was year 37 in 568 or 588bc), and there is no argument that bm 38462 (lbat 1420) shows 2 eclipse records for year 17.....then what is the jw response to the details of those eclipses?
bm 38462 (lbat 1420) describes in great detail an eclipse that happened on tebetu 13 of the 17th year of nebuchadnezzar.
Note in particular that there were no total lunar eclipses in the year 607 BC.
i posted this as comment number one million in the nov 1 wt thread...but i'll post here too:.
i don't know if this has been discussed yet....but if it is agreed that vat 4956 is from the 37th year of nebuchadnezzar (the argument being was year 37 in 568 or 588bc), and there is no argument that bm 38462 (lbat 1420) shows 2 eclipse records for year 17.....then what is the jw response to the details of those eclipses?
bm 38462 (lbat 1420) describes in great detail an eclipse that happened on tebetu 13 of the 17th year of nebuchadnezzar.
Eclipse record: VAT 4956 obverse line 17.
Year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar.
"A lunar eclipse which was omitted."
July 4, 568 BC (-567)
Partial eclipse.
BM 38462, No. 1420, obverse ones 16-18.
Year 17 of Nebuchadnezzar.
July 15, 588 BC (-587) BC,
"omitted eclipse"
Partial eclipse.
Second listed eclipse for Nebuchadnezzar year 17.
"observed lunar eclipse"
"[Year] 17, Month IV, [omitted.]
[Month] X, the 13th, morning watch, 1 beru 5° [before sunrise ? ]
All of it was covered. [It set eclips]ed."
January 8, 587 BC (-586).
Total eclipse.
i posted this as comment number one million in the nov 1 wt thread...but i'll post here too:.
i don't know if this has been discussed yet....but if it is agreed that vat 4956 is from the 37th year of nebuchadnezzar (the argument being was year 37 in 568 or 588bc), and there is no argument that bm 38462 (lbat 1420) shows 2 eclipse records for year 17.....then what is the jw response to the details of those eclipses?
bm 38462 (lbat 1420) describes in great detail an eclipse that happened on tebetu 13 of the 17th year of nebuchadnezzar.
"Does ANYONE know if there are any eclipse records from December 608BC/January 607BC? And if so....are they even close to matching the description given in the text? "
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/LEcat5/LE-0699--0600.html
Here are all the lunar eclipses listed for the years 608 (-607) and 607 (-606)BC.
Year 608 BC
Cat
Num Year Date Type
----- ----- ------ -------
03357 -0607 Mar 01 Partial
03358 -0607 Aug 24 Partial
Year 607 BC
Cat
Num Year Date Type
----- ----- ------ ---------
03359 -0606 Jan 20 Penumbral
03360 -0606 Feb 18 Penumbral
03361 -0606 Jul 15 Penumbral
03362 -0606 Aug 13 Penumbral
