Thanks for the warning! BTW, do you still have their number?
voltaire
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A Cautionary Tale For Newbie Ex's.
by Englishman inone of the best parts of leaving the jw religion is the discovery that the majority of people worldly people are kind and decent folk, who are willing to be helpful if given the opportunity to do so.. but!
exiting dubs who have been born into the faith are definitely going to be somewhat naive in certain situations that can leave them open to abuse by cunning perpetrators.. i well remember my first couple of years out of dubdom.
i wanted to try anything and everything.
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Wt will Win case Before Supreme Court
by JT ini think the small time lawyer will be out gunned on this one- most small towns always end up passsing goofy laws like this one.
while i have no love for wt i do know a poorly written law when i see one exp when the mayor is walking around in affect saying: "ww want to keep you people out".
the boys in legal laugh when they see some elective dude say some off the cuff remark like that.
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I agree that the WT should win the case. Three cheers for deomacracy! It allows dissent and freedom of speech. The society vilifies and demonizes the gov'ts, but the GB can't hold a candle to the U.S. in the arena of human rights.
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Porque pide ud. disculpas? (No importa, le perdono de todas maneras, pero quisiera saber lo que ha hecho)
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The Watchtower's Bible Scholars?
by stevieb1 inwitnesses are often told that is is not necessary to look to outside sources such as bible encyclopedias and commentaries because the society's writing department already has these and presents us with the best comments from them for us anyway.
what i have noticed though, is that there are many comments from 19th century commentators and not much in the way of quotes from modern-day bible scholars and their works.. i understand that at the recent kingdom ministry school it was said that the society has the best bible scholars available for our instuction.
if that was said (can anyone confirm?
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Is it really scholarship to read through a commentary written by another religion and say "this is true, this isn't," and then present that to your members?
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Double-think
by voltaire ini have gone round and round with my wife about jws and disfellowshipping.
our marriage, which wasn't so hot for the last year, is pretty well shot now.
i try to explain to her that being dfed for simply disagreeing with the wt is offensive to me.
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She definately has a comfort zone that's hard to get into. I understand because I remember being afraid to even THINK certain thoughts at first. About a year ago she told me point blank that she wouldn't even consider answering any hypothetical questions. They made her too uncomfortable. I feel for her, I really do. I don't get too rabid, I was exagerating a little for effect. (I did used to get pretty worked up about it, but I realized the truth of what you have posted, that it was terribly uncomfortable emotionally for her to even contemplate what I wanted to discuss) The problem is this; if two people can't be honest with one another about these most important of issues, it's nearly impossible (for me at least) to have any kind of real relationship. I really do feel offended by all of this(the DF), deeply hurt. And she won't even acknowledge that the society does any of the things I find most offensive! It's as though one mate had a serious drug problem that was harming the marriage, but you could never talk about its effect on your relationship, because the problem would be denied.
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Main now Friends?
by Outaservice ini noticed the 'main' part of the board is now called 'friends'.. didn't the witnesses use to refer to each other as 'the friends'?.
maybe we ought to change it to 'ren.dez.vous brothers and sisters'?.
just a thought!.
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I think it's sweet.
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Double-think
by voltaire ini have gone round and round with my wife about jws and disfellowshipping.
our marriage, which wasn't so hot for the last year, is pretty well shot now.
i try to explain to her that being dfed for simply disagreeing with the wt is offensive to me.
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I have gone round and round with my wife about JWs and disfellowshipping. I'll be DFed soon. Our marriage, which wasn't so hot for the last year, is pretty well shot now. I try to explain to her that being DFed for simply disagreeing with the WT is offensive to me. When it's announced to the congregation, everyone will assume that I'm a bad person, or at least that I've done something terrible. It feels like slander. She denies that JWs think that DFed people are neccesarily bad people! Here's a typical exchange:
ME- DF is a form of slander. People will assume that I've done something terrible. All of my friends will hate me.
HER- No they won't. We don't hate DF people.
ME-Then why are they going to shun me? Because they like me so much?
HER- We have rules. If you don't want to follow them, you don't have to be a JW. You're free to leave.
ME- That's fine. But why would an organization treat people so badly? Why is there no "honorable way out?"
HER-We don't treat people bad. You're free to stay or go. There's no slander.
ME HELLO (Dripping with sarcasm, I try to control myself, sometimes I don't make it very far, this is my admission of guilt) "The dog returns to its vomit" That's not very complementary. Besides if I'm not a bad person, why do they teach God is going to kill me at Armageddon?
HER- I don't know for sure that he's going to kill you. That's for him to decide.
ME-(Foaming at the mouth) I've been a witness all of my adult life! I pioneered for 10 years, I was an elder for God's sake! You're trying to tell me that Jehovah isn't going to destroy apostates at Armageddon?
HER (Silence)
ME (Silence, except for the sound of foam dripping from my mouth and splashing onto the floor)
We haven't been able to have a sensible conversation for well over a year. The odd thing is, she's a very intelligent woman. She's no Fred Hall or one of the other looneys that frequent the board. I liked the JWs better under Rutherford. He taught weird stuff, but he didn't lie about it. Babylon is a WHORE! Aluminum kills. I like my nut cases honest.
The denial is the most offensive part. If I could get her to just be frank about our situation. But I think that they realize that it's not a defensible position. Their only hope is to confuse the issue. She's not trying to hide the truth from me. She's trying to hide it from herself.
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how many JW on this site
by happy man inthe name of the site, jehovas vittness.com?.
well sure we must have permission to say what we fell here, cant understan that ex say that this is ther site,.
havent they red the heading.
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Yes, I'm a JW. For the next few weeks anyway. The elders asked me a few months ago why I quit going out in service. I told them the truth. I don't think JWs have the truth. They said they will DF me. So talk to me while you still can, all you faithful Jws. Oh, I forgot. For people like Fred and Happy Man, the rules don't apply. They'll still talk to me even after I'm DF. Hurray!!! And I was afraid I'd lose all my JW friends!
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My First Death Threat
by silentlambs ini just recieved this in an email message today.
silentlambs.
"i heard something about the arrangement of your assassination.
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It's time we began to pray fervently. Repeat after me:
"Dear Lord, protect us from your followers."
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The sick mind of the JW
by JT inyou got to love these folks.
james.
>>interesting remarks at morning worship from tom & esther chin:.
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voltaire
This is surely just so much sensationalism based on anecdotal evidence. It's used all the time to promote bogus products. For example, weight loss products."So-and-so lost 50 pounds eating dirt, and so will you." Why don't they relate any anecdotes about someone who pioneered all their lives, then died from a disease because they didn't have insurance and were reluctant to get a check-up. It cuts both ways. I finally realize that the so-called "spiritual paradise" is a very carefully crafted image, nothing more. The very opposite picture could be painted by using such anecdotes, a picture of broken marriages, dead babies and children who hate their parents. The truth lies somewhere in between.