Talk to her. She sounds as reasonable and caring as a person can be. I think this kind of JW is the most dangerous kind for the society. The more we can encourage a reasonable, tolerant view of DFed persons the better. Good luck,
Ron
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I just got this
by fullofdoubtnow ini just took my mum home with her shopping, and she gave me a letter from a sister in my old kh.
the sister was one of my best friends for years, and one of the few people outside the elders who i told i was about to da, and why.
she knows i have moved recently, but doesn't know my new address, so she dropped this letter at my mums this morning:.
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Did anyone experience that feeling at the end of assemblies, or C/O visits?
by dido ini`m new on here so don`t know if this subject has been covered, but i was wondering if anyone else experienced that overwhelming feeling at the end of assemblies, or when the c/o visited and gave his talk, there was a different feeling in the air, and i always thought it was `jehovah`s spirit`.
now i`m out and have learnt a lot about the borg, and know all their dastardly deeds, i can`t understand what that feeling was.
it can`t have been his spirit, as i don`t believe now that the borg is the `truth`.
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Recent research using MRIs has shown that religion actually produces altered brain states. Tibetan monks are able to achieve identifiable, longterm changes in certain areas of the brain related to cognition that has astounded researchers. What Drew said about feeling a part of something bigger hits the nail on the head. Relgious experience can affect the part of the brain which allows a person to distinguish between the self and everything else, resulting in the sensation of merging with, or becoming one with the universe. I believe Michael Shermer is the scientist leading this research. If you google his name, I assume his books will pop. BTW, you can probably achieve similar brain states with the aid of drugs. Next time, skip the CO visit and smoke peyote.
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For those who speak french
by Genesis inhi sorry for my mistake, i should have read the posting guidelines, heres the original message : .
salut, j'aimerais savoir qui parle francais sur ce forum, je sais qu'il y a quand meme un petit nombre de quebecois (dont moi-meme, je suis au lac-st-jean) et de francais de france.
pour ma part j'ai fait les congregations suivantes : .
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Allin tuta! Pikuna quechuata rimankichu? Boliviamanta warmah.(Shall we stick to English? Or do you want the really weird languages to come out of the wordwork?)
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When were the Watchtower's best moments?
by JH inare they in their best moments right now, since they never had as many witnesses as now worldwide, or were their best days somewhere in 1950's or 60's or 70's before deception set it.
did the watchtower ever have any credibility somewhere in time?
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Gary,
I've heard it was hot and long and not much fun to live in the shantytown they sat up. I guess the fact they could get so many to go through that shows how much power they had over their own at the time. Maybe it was their golden period from that point of view, the ability to move people. If the society asks you to jump, you asked, 'how high?'. Now was that the time it was most fun to be a JW? That's a different topic!
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When were the Watchtower's best moments?
by JH inare they in their best moments right now, since they never had as many witnesses as now worldwide, or were their best days somewhere in 1950's or 60's or 70's before deception set it.
did the watchtower ever have any credibility somewhere in time?
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I agree Gary that those '58 conventions were a peak in the JW success. We had two photos of the Polo Grounds and Yankee Stadium in our KH library. They were filled people (bored people I'm sure). Knorr and Franz were huge figures (not like now, who among the average dubs can name any GB members?) It may be a sort of nostalgia on my part, but those seemed to me like times when the witnesses were reasonably respected and confident of themselves and their place in the world. I suppose it was simply one of Gary's 'recovery periods', a new generation of JWs thinking that this time they were going to get it right.
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Wicked hard online game, only four short levels but really really hard!
by mkr32208 inthis game is super hard to beat it's only four levels but it's like monster hard!.
anyone gets to level four let me know!.
click here http://www.winterrowd.com/maze.swf.
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Not really nice or funny. I had the feeling that was going to happen. My new policy. I never play any game ever if I don't know the person.
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JW convicted pedophile makes calls to witness
by Dogpatch ina life still in limbo convicted sexual predator cary verse has found job and is making friends since being ordered to bay point by bruce gerstman
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/local/crime_courts/13772741.htm contra costa times
bay point - cary verse could see his own breath on the cold january morning he arrived at the sheriff's office.. his meeting with a detective for his quarterly registration as a sex offender lasted less than five minutes.
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I love the remark by one of the brothers at his new hall, "Everyone's done something. It's hard to hold grudges." Well, we all have our faults, picking your nose in public, one drink too many, a little too gossipy. Raping boys, now is that a little bit much for a shrug and a dismissive everybody-has-done-something?
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Just curious, How many Awakes do you read to get a college level education?
by PaNiCAtTaCk inmaybe pmj or another active witnesses can explain?
or do they still teach this?
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The problem with the Awake! isn't so much the content, but rather the utter failure to cultivate critical thinking skills. To the JWs, critical thinking is BAD. A real education by the world's stanards teaches you how to carefully weigh and analyze arguments and information. It teaches the scientific method. No matter how much raw information is in the literature (and I DO think a bright person can pick up a lot reading the literature and preparing parts, esp. if you're a man with the possibility of being an elder) a JW "education" will always be the oposite of a true education. It closes your mind to rational , critical thought rather than opening it.
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I think I've finally had it! (long)
by lynnmelo insome of you may know that i had regularly been studying with the jw's for about two years, but i was never baptized.
i stumbled on some information about the child molestation scandal a few months ago, and that started me on the road to questioning the organization (for further details on my situation, see my topic history).. anyway, up until now, i had decided to just fade into the background, still attending sunday kh meetings because i want to attend some church, and i just don't know where else to go (don't agree w/ the teachings of the other churches in my vicinity either).
my last "study" w/ my bible study conductor (a month or so ago) was terrible.
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If you think it's bad now, try expressing doubt AFTER baptism. If have any reservations, please don't get baptised. BTW, we aren't all that way. Looking back, I think I left in part because I couldn't put the screws to people the way she's doing to you. I felt much more like letting people do what they felt like. The problem was that my no pressure style didn't really reflect the extreme urgency the witnesses place on their ministry and that created a lot of inner conflict for me. Be firm, you don't owe her any explanation. They're good at manipulating. We've spent years honing our skills, so you'll have to be tough. Good luck.
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Gangas & NWT
by voltaire ini heard an interesting program the other night that reminded me of the debates/questions that arise about the tanslation of the nwt.
it has been asserted that since george gangas was a speaker of modern greek he was not qualified to translate biblical greek.
the progam i heard is hosted by milt rosenberg on wgn 720 and the guests were two linguists from illinois universities ( i can't recall their names).
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Thanks TD. Nice illustrations of the point I was making. And imagine if a Greek grew up hearing Koine spoken at church or had studied it for several years in school (although I don't know if children in Greece study Koine or Classical Greek, or both in school). I don't suppose anyone on this forum grew up in Greece?