Posts by Comatose

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I am DF'd now... Decisions, decisions...

by Comatose in

so i was df'd a couple weeks ago.

i live in a place where i didn't really have new friends at the kh, so my day to day life isn't changing.

i'm just me living life like i was 2 weeks ago and 2 years ago.

Comatose

Well, first thanks everyone for the replies.

I just know a relationship between grandparents and grand kids is a good part of growing up and normal. I'd like my daughter to have that if possible. I do realize the problem I face with the indoctrination. Also, I am bothered about my daughter seeing as she gets older that its okay for them to not talk to us and shun us. I don't want my daughter thinking we are so bad that my own parents won't talk to me. I don't want that coloring her perception.

I agree that having them come here to see her is the best. I am going to push for that. But, I know them... I think its going to be a problem.

I'm just trying to find a solution that can preserve her relationship with them and work for us. I do not intend to let her go off with them alone. But, I hope to find a work around situation. I spoke with a childhood friend to let him know I was being DFd. He was really cool about it all. But, he urged me not to deprive my child of her grandparents. He didn't get to know his grand fathers growing up because of the religion. He made me think I need to find a way to make this happen. I don't ever want my daughter to harbor resentment for losing them. Of course as you mentioned it is their decision.

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I am DF'd now... Decisions, decisions...

by Comatose in

so i was df'd a couple weeks ago.

i live in a place where i didn't really have new friends at the kh, so my day to day life isn't changing.

i'm just me living life like i was 2 weeks ago and 2 years ago.

Comatose

Thanks buddy. I will. It is very nice to be free. I don't care now about people seeing me in the cigar shop etc. Life is good. I know a year and a half ago I wouldn't be saying this, but now that I am out and not mind controlled, it really does suck that a decision you made as a young teen that you really didn't have a choice in can be held over you for the rest of your life.

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I am DF'd now... Decisions, decisions...

by Comatose in

so i was df'd a couple weeks ago.

i live in a place where i didn't really have new friends at the kh, so my day to day life isn't changing.

i'm just me living life like i was 2 weeks ago and 2 years ago.

Comatose

So I was DF'd a couple weeks ago. I live in a place where I didn't really have new friends at the KH, so my day to day life isn't changing. I'm just me living life like I was 2 weeks ago and 2 years ago. Of course the major change is my JW family. Parents will Facetime with my daughter, or reply to a picture if I send them one of us doing something with my daughter, but of course they won't talk to me. They reply like they are talking to my daughter. It is not a shock. Not a surprise. I knew it would happen. But, its still sad. Who wouldn't be sad.

It's funny that they visited and stayed with us and talked to me fine even when they knew I was not a JW and when I was fighting the DFing, but now that its official suddenly I am dead. The day before I was announced I was in their state and town and had dinner and spent the night. The next morning they woke up ealry and cooked a big breakfast. Then the next day I was dead. Weird cult.

I'm actually okay. Besides the normal and expected frustrations or sadness I am okay. I wish I could talk to my dad about the new contribution arrangement though. Curous what he thinks. But, I'm sure he is on board fully and blessed by Jehovah about it.

I don't want to deprive my daughter of a normal and loving relationship with her grandparents, but they won't come here with us to see her. They say they have to see her without us. So, still figuring that one out. I have to come up with a way to preserve my daughters realtionship and not let them indoctrinate her (which they would). So, we will be talking about that before long I am sure. They will want to come stay in our town in a hotel and see her. Wish there was a good way to solve this easily. But, its going to be a pain in the ass.

Better yet my brother is dating a JW and I'm sure will get married based on the quick way things are procedding. So being excluded from the wedding will suck. Thanks JWs.

How have you all handled the Grandparents problem?

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Over 300 Partakers in Reno, Nevada! Men Women & Children 12 Years old,

by objectivetruth in

the governing body is powerful, but the holy spirit is infinitely more powerful.

if the wt ever changes, it will be because of a movement such as this.. .

but sanctify the christ as lord in your hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope in you, but doing so together with a mild temper and deep respect.

Comatose

I don't believe it. Fake.

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Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (And Why We Don't Know About Them) by Bart D. Ehrman

by EdenOne in

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just finished reading this book ("jesus, interrupted: revealing the hidden contradictions in the bible (and why we don't know about them)" by bart d. ehrman.

very, very interesting reading - i strongly recommend it.. eden.

Comatose

Love Ehrman. Misquoting Jesus helped to wake me up to how the bible was written and who it was written by. Will read this one.

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A farce elder here

by His Excellency in

just to share a little about me:.

i was recently appointed an elder, about 6 months ago now, and that is exactly two years after my awakenning, but funny that the appointment came also about 2 years after i had completely lost all faith in god and had been leading a full time anti-jw life .

makes you wonder the role of the holy spirit in the entire nomination or appointment process.. .

Comatose

Be fair in JCs and drop truth in shepherding calls.

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Your Experience with Resigning as an Elder

by committeechairman in

i'm considering resigning as an elder.

i'm not planning to fade or stop as one of jehovah's witnesses, just stop serving as an elder.. i have responsibility in the congregation and in circuit, district, rbc, etc.

and i'm completely exhausted.

Comatose

A brother in my old hall who was an elder that was a pillar in the hall stepped down for a year due to work and financial reasons. He was treated normal. I think it depends on your reputation and reasons for stepping down.

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Your Experience with Resigning as an Elder

by committeechairman in

i'm considering resigning as an elder.

i'm not planning to fade or stop as one of jehovah's witnesses, just stop serving as an elder.. i have responsibility in the congregation and in circuit, district, rbc, etc.

and i'm completely exhausted.

Comatose

Fulltimestudent had a great idea. I was not an elder but I was a MS for 15 years... I had responsibilities but nothing like you are dealing with! It would be very tough. I feel for you. Hang in there. My dad has been an elder for a long time, and when I let him know I was overburdened and depressed and needed to step down, he asked me to just take a break for a few months. He showed me something in the elders book or a letter that indicated brothers may need to temporarily lighten their load. I talked to the PO or BOEC and he was kind. I was removed from talks and stuff for a few months, then when they asked I just kept saying I wasn't ready...

For you, if you want a humble opinion, I would imagine the RBC and Circuit stuff is a large stress. I'd lighten those first so you can focus on your family, sheep, and health. Health is something only you and your doctor know about and a very understandable reason to lighten the load. In fact other elders will probably tell everyone to keep you in mind and treat you great.

Then you can go from there. But, you sound like you need breathing room very quickly. Don't burn yourself out. I can tell you from experience that depression and anxiety disorders arise from too heavy a load.

Best wishes, hang in there.

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Just noticed something else that proves the Bible is made up.

by BU2B in

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exodus 9 then the lord said to moses, go to pharaoh and say to him, this is what the lord, the god of the hebrews, says: let my people go, so that they may worship me.

2if you refuse to let them go and continue to hold them back, 3the hand of the lord will bring a terrible plague on your livestock in the fieldon your horses, donkeys and camels and on your cattle, sheep and goats.

4but the lord will make a distinction between the livestock of israel and that of egypt, so that no animal belonging to the israelites will die.?.

Comatose

Does it make sense to kill all the firstborn children and adults in the kingdom when they had nothing to do with Pharoah's decision? Is that loving?

If god is all powerful and all knowing, then he couldn't he just influence Pharoah to make him release them? Couldn't he say to himself, well knowing the future, if I call all of Egypt's firstborn, they will let my people go. So instead of killing innocent's I'll just strike Pharoah and all his house dead.

A loving god wouldn't kill babies, toddlers, kids, teens, and adults who couldn't do anything about the situation. As for an apologist saying all they had to do was put blood on their doorways, how would they know? There was no preaching work. Average Egyptians in huts wouldn't have a clue.

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Was Mark the template for the other gospel accounts?

by awakening in

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i was checking out why the watchtower study was using the book of matthew regarding the last days during the meeting.

i read somewhere, and please correct me if i am wrong, that mark was written in advance of the other accounts.. i thought the differences were startling.

mark makes no mention of "as in the days of noah".

Comatose

Most all Bible scholars agree that Mark was the first book written. The watchtower stands almost alone in claiming that the Bible books were written in the order that they appear in their Bible. A great book on the subject is written by Bart Ehrman, Misquoting Jesus.