Posts by waiting

They can lock threads (jst2lws) and then introduce new threads within a short time (Amazing) stating that their threads on the same subject not be locked immediately. And IF they're to be locked......then they will decide if, when, and after what last comment - as Amazing has stated in his opening comments. IW has not been given that opportunity.

First, Simon and other Mods, please let this thread run its course for a while. If it gets too dicey, then I will move or lock it. My goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.
IW: Since the other thread was locked, then lets make this real simple and get to the point:

I've seen at least 3-4 posts lately on different threads (and I surely don't read everything) lately where Forum Assistants give their opinion in a discussion - which sometimes varies from other posters........and at the same time threaten to lock the thread they're commenting in.

If Forum Assistants wish to lock a thread - ok. But I don't think they should give their opinions in a discussion....and at the same time threaten to lock the thread down if the discussion continues. They should remain separate from the discussion if they're threatening to lock it. Otherwise, it reads that when they don't agree.........they lock.

If Forum Assistants wish to discuss/argue - ok. Join the discussion as a poster - not in their Forum Assistant capacity. Discuss/argue with us as posters.

But some of your Forum Assistants are playing both sides - and this thread & IW's last night are prime examples - imho.

Actually, I kinda agree with IW & Amazing.....and if Jst2lws hadn't locked that thread - it would have been an appropriate place to continue their discussion, eh? As it was, Amazing went around Jst2lws and started this thread to call her out - and used his Forum Assistant status to do it (HE would lock it down if HE wanted to).

Can IW lock this thread.....and start another to denounce/demand of Amazing? No - she doesn't have the authority Amazing does. She's a poster.....like the rest of us.

I could never be a Forum Assistant - and I recognize the value of them in helping you - but it's a *dicey* area. Good Luck hitting a status quo.

waiting

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Raymond Franz y www.atalaya.org

by Administrador in

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letter of raymond franz to the administrator of www.atalaya.orgdear sir:.

in all cases the violation of international.

international copyright laws are clear on this and show that literary.

waiting

We may, or may not, agree with Franz - but it's still his copyrighted material.

I don't agree with Franz on a couple of things - but that doesn't mean I don't respect him. I didn't agree last fall on this forum, and don't want to go through it again. We're all individuals.

Kent has given freely - but he's also employed and decades younger. He's done a great service for Jehovah's Witnesses in freeing them from the WTBS.

Ray Franz has given freely also - but he's 90. He and his wife are far beyond the time that they go out and find suitable jobs for income. His book is his income & his own words.

I think the point would be......Ray Franz wrote a book & copyrighted it. Ray Franz then has the authority to say where his book is reproduced......or not. Obviously not in this case.

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C.T. Russell's grave vandalized

by RR in

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i attended a week long [six day] bible student convention in johnstown, pa, just outside of pittsburgh, there was a sister from romania who wanted to visit pastor russell's grave, so we drove the 2 hours up there, the last time i was there was in 1999.

well, apparently russell'sgrave was vandalized, on the front and back of the tombstone there are these photos of russell embedded into the granite, someone decided to keep a momento and ripped them off, so there's just a hole where the pictures were.

no respect for the dead, oh well.

waiting

I vote either for over-zealous jw's who want to do away with evidence of their original leader's strangeness......

or on stupid teenagers - I knew some in hs who thought nothing of getting drunk & kicking over gravestones, etc. Nothing.

or someone who realized that they could turn around and sell those pictures on ebay in a couple of years (or private sale) for a hefty profit.

Personally? Don't care.

watiing

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Child custody preparation booklet for Witnesses. Prepping for court

by Jourles in

below is the introduction to the booklet entitled, "preparing for child custody cases.

" this booklet is prefaced with a letter from the society describing how to deal with such cases.

this booklet contains an exhaustive list of questions and answers for the witness coaching them on how to answer any question which may be asked of them in court or by psychological exam.

waiting

Hey Elsewhere,

What hypocrites!

If the kids are in a "demonstration at the circuilt assembly, when they would show that the first things in life are service and going to the Kingdom Hall.... Be careful that they don't all say that they are going to be pioneers."

If the kids are in a Court of Law "show hobbies, crafts, social activity, sports, and especially plans for the future. Plans can be for a trade, getting married. having children, journalism, and all kinds of other things. Maybe you can show an interest in art and the theater."

When the kids are in a Court of Law "They must be clean, moral and honest. But with the interests that you would expect from other young people."

Well, how can jw kids be honest and not say that they are encouraged to put spiritual things first - going to the Kingdom Hall & service....and a fulfilling life of pioneering.

The Stepford Children - jw style.

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Is Having Kids Worth It?

by Prisca in

ok, i'm a single female in her early 30s looking for someone to settle down with.

i'd like to have kids, but the trouble with dating guys who are over 30 is that by now most have a kid and/or have decided they don't want any/more.

so i am getting faced with the dilemma of maybe finding that someone special, but he may not want to have kids.

waiting

Hey Francois,

I have a close friend who has a child addicted to heroin also. After going through court trials, thousands of dollars, hospitals, over doses, being brought back to life literally, social workers, grandchildren to raise sporadically at parent's whim, restraining orders........well, you get the picture. My friend had to close off ALL his emotional ties to this grown child to survive....literally & emotionally. And his therapist, police, social workers, & lawyer agreed.

The most interesting comment I've heard from a parent who's been through a lot is "We try to raise our kids. We can't prophecy how they'll turn out."

It's The Truth. Perhaps everyone's family is just different, eh?

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Abuse was the only reason I left. Posted on the net in 1996.

by cat1759 in

jehovah's witness elders .

abused my 4 year old

when my son matt was three years old, he was molested by his 26 year old aunt (my sister in law).

waiting

Hello ocw,

And to stand by your son who is gay . Is a testament in the relationship. I applaud you. - OCW

Interesting comment. Was going to comment more, but am going to assume that you meant this different than it appears to me, a mother of a gay son also.

I assume you meant the above as a compliment.

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Jehovah's Witnesses asking woman to pay legal costs in sexual abuse lawsuit

by ignored_one in

http://canadaeast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20030723/cpn/20587021&cachetime=15 .

jehovah's witnesses asking woman to pay legal costs in sexual abuse lawsuit.

toronto (cp) - a woman who received $5,000 in damages after accusing the canadian wing of the jehovah's witnesses of negligence over their handling of allegations of sexual abuse is being asked to pay for part of the religious group's legal costs in the case.

waiting

well, impartial, if I could spell.....perhaps your dictionary could find my word, eh?

I think I was trying for either valiant or vigilent.....and since I lost Webster's dictionary on my computer.....well, damned if I know.

Either way........your earnest - and prolonged - efforts to post your posts is appreciated. See? I had to revert back to my jw words!

waiting

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Is Having Kids Worth It?

by Prisca in

ok, i'm a single female in her early 30s looking for someone to settle down with.

i'd like to have kids, but the trouble with dating guys who are over 30 is that by now most have a kid and/or have decided they don't want any/more.

so i am getting faced with the dilemma of maybe finding that someone special, but he may not want to have kids.

waiting

Obviously, being married and having kids are two different things. And they should be.

Got married at 19, ....by 27, a semi-wacked jw with 3 kids & a jw husband doing & selling drugs for years. Crapshoot, indeed. If I hadn't had my kids......I could've (perhaps) walked nearly a decade earlier.

As it was, we parted when I was 29 with 3 kids in tow. I worked full time & married another jw.........and he was/is still great. And, btw, I've worked full time our entire marriage of 22 years, raising 3 kids.

We've gone through all the regular stuff with kids (now 32, 27, 25) and if I had to do again....which one would I do without? Never! They are individuals who I love. They're beautiful, intelligent, talented & we regularily keep in touch. And they're outgrown the need to borrow money - and I don't think they resent me any more than the usual mom/kid stuff.

But! I might rethink the situation if I had to do it over again (first husband) - I've been truly lucky in the overview. Truly lucky.

I wouldn't take a million dollars for any of my kids. And I wouldn't give a plug nickel for another one. - unknown, but honest, mother

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WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FYI

by Jesika in

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just so you all know...............primitivegenious.............is a liar!!!!!!!!!

he partied with me and lyineyes....wildturkey.....moreisbetter....pr_capone........searcher and i.

he is still a jw..........and is lurking here.............he is not who he says he is.

waiting

Don't know nuthin' 'bout what started this................

but it's true - many jw's have come here seeking to find a way out. Perhaps PG didn't do it the right way............but IS there a totally right way for everyone?

I was a jw when I came here - lol, but not for long. But my husband's family still regard us as jw's - just inactive. And we don't say any different. We want to keep our family. My husband's even thought of going back for occasional meetings for his mother's sake. She cries sometimes to him because he "won't see his father resurrected."

Hope this gets settled so that both posters stay. We were ALL jw's. Some of us still are - thus the name of our forum.

And Welcome to the JW's too.

waiting

ps: Hope this all gets straightened out, Jessica! Sure are loud when you righteously fuss!

And I am using humor for the humor impaired amongst us.