as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.
and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .
after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
Hawk,
I'll take a trip this afternoon and pick up the stuff..
Do you know if the UN tours are appointment only, or can anyone do them at any time (I guess I gotta dig out a suit and tie <G>)..
Also, why only talk to Mr. Oleg..
You can email Kent, he knows how to get ahold of me..
The sooner you can get back to me, the better.
as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.
and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .
after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
Hawk,
I'm about 1 hour away from the UN headquaters.. I live in CT..
If there is anything I can do, let me know... I'll be there!!!!
as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.
and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .
after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
Trilobite:
You got me laughing twice in one day!!! BRAVO!!!!
BTW: That secret handbook wouldn't be the dreaded
"Serving SATAN wholeheartedly and protecting our pack" would it?
my story is posted in the "personal experiences" section of this discussion board and someone responded with and interesting observation.
he said that it's great that i'm now out but that i have 'dues to pay' to those whom i have disfellowshipped and talked out of going to college while serving as an elder.
while serving as an elder i did share in disfellowshipping several members of the congregation, many of whom are still out there being shunned by family and friends.
JanH:
I see you posted the articles I was thinking about..
OldHippie:
Just because it doesn't state infatically NOT TO goto college in those posts of JanH, doesn't mean that the intent wasn't there.. The verbage of almost everything the WT does is made to look like you are 'coming up' with your own conclusion while they just present facts.. It's just another trick of brainwashing..
I'm glad to see you didn't fall for it.. That means you must be having some doubghts, as is evidenced by the fact that you are here on this board!!! Congratulations.. I hold much hope for you my friend!
as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.
and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .
after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
Trilobite:
ROFL... I love it.. I'm gonna try that next time a witness comes a knocking <G>!!!!
as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.
and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .
after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
The truth is out there..
Those must be scary words to the boys in Brooklyn!!!
i'm at a definite crossroad in my life right now and i don't know which direction to turn.. for my entire life i've been taught to believe in one thing but now i'm seeing things that i never knew where there before.
i find it very disturbing that there has been so many predictions the wts has made in the past that failed to come true.
also the bouncing back and forth on certain doctrines make me question my beliefs.. but on the other hand i can't ignore things like the fact the organization is growing while other religions are on the decline.
Hi,
Might I suggest getting a copy of
Crisis of Conscience by Ray Franz..
Ray was a member of the governing body... In the book, there is all kinds of things Ray reveils happened to him, or he observed, including the fact that the society itself received unrefutable proof that the date of 607 was wrong, yet the society ignored the fact, because to admit that was wrong would have caused massive credibility problems..
Take it slow..
There is also a helpline you can call if you want to talk to someone..
1-800-WHY-1914
Good luck, it sounds like you are searching for the real truth.. I'm confident you'll find it...
i was wondering if anyone has been wondering what i have been wondering.
it seems to me the wt likes to read the bible and then pick out scriptures to make self-fulfill.
if they for the last 10 years have been a member of the un as an ngo to secretly recieve the benefits of that position, they are also using the current events to further their image as the "true" religion.
Hi ARoarer,
You are right.. I didn't even fully realize it in my previous post..
But if the GB is doing the "spin" move and denying it to the R&F, yet they themselves know the truth, and aren't feeling the "fear of God", then they must know that they are not the chosen ones..
How sick and disgusting..
my story is posted in the "personal experiences" section of this discussion board and someone responded with and interesting observation.
he said that it's great that i'm now out but that i have 'dues to pay' to those whom i have disfellowshipped and talked out of going to college while serving as an elder.
while serving as an elder i did share in disfellowshipping several members of the congregation, many of whom are still out there being shunned by family and friends.
I won't strangle you OldHippie,
But I will defend William..
I do remember reading exceprts from old Watchtower literature that it was heavily suggested NOT to goto college, for why waste the time learning when you won't need it in the new system.. You should spend your time going out in field service instead..
Maybe someone who has a CD-ROM can find the articles and post them for ya, old...
William:
You sound like you are really helping many people.. I'm quite sure that God knows what's in your heart, and he also knows that everyone is but a single person, and cannot 'do it all'.. Unlike the watchtower, who says do more and more and more to prove that you are a man of "god -- oops, a man of men", god doesn't need works to prove who you are.. He can see into your heart... Follow your heart, but remember to balance your life in the process (Real balance, not WT balance, which as we all know, is unbalanced in the extreme!!!)
May god bless both of you...
flash - major breaking!!!!!!!.
i just talked to paul hoeffel 1:35pm - he phoned me.. okay people.
i can now confirm that the watchtower has provided a letter in writing to dpi indicating that the wts has "disassociated" themselves from dpi - ie the wts has made it offical that they have quit.. i can also confirm that the wts has been updating dpi regularily as they are suppose to over the last 10 years.. i can also can say that something is in the works that i can disclose by hopeflly tomorrow.
Hi OldHippie,
I just want to remind you of one fact:
The WTBTS claims to be god's chosen channel of communication.. Period.. Nothing is done without god's approval..
So, does that mean that God gave in to the public opinion, and decided it was time for the Watchtower to withdraw from the UN?
Was it premature ejection? Did God tell them to join the UN in the first place 10 years ago, and then not tell the R&F?
I wasn't aware that God used deceit as a tool, nor was I aware that God 'gave in' to people's opinions...
