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  I Have a Dream...

  by dungbeetle in

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  and in that dream.... setting is the supreme court of the united states.

  present are representatives of the watchtower society and of stratton, ohio.. watchtower: "and in conclusion, the watchtower socity wishes to respectfully assert this honored body of men and women that we have always been first and foremost in the protection and promulgation of full protection of free speech, religion and right to associate for all american citizens.".

  stratton oh: <whips out a copy of the january 1, 1997 watchtower, which he obtained somehow from somewhere .

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  DOOH!
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  Taliban - Resistence is FUTILE !

  by Amazing in

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  the following appeared on cnn today.

  it is like something the klingon empire or the borg from star trek might say.

  the us military is broadcasting all over afghanistan the following message - i believe on all frequencies.

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  Oh this is just tooo funny, or maybe it's not funny.. I'm not really sure...

  Whatever it is, we have a new nickname for our president after this one: "George the Borg" Bush...
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  Would a JW go beyond the scriptures?

  by ozziepost in

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  according to jw media, baptism "symbolizes one's dedication to god".. on this basis, a jw's allegiance and obedience is to god.

  thus, the article goes on to state:jehovah's witnesses avoid making rules and regulations beyond those provided in the scriptures.

  , and they do not follow traditions that contradict bible teachings.

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  The baptismal questions from the Aug. 1, 1966 Watchtower (p. 465) were:

  (1) Have you recognized yourself before Jehovah God as a sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his Son Jesus Christ?

  (2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit?

  The newest baptismal questions were set forth in the June 1, 1985 (p. 30) Watchtower:

  (1) On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?

  (2) Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?

  I guess holy spirit is now "God's spirit-directed organization"
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  I Have a Dream...

  by dungbeetle in

  1. jw
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  and in that dream.... setting is the supreme court of the united states.

  present are representatives of the watchtower society and of stratton, ohio.. watchtower: "and in conclusion, the watchtower socity wishes to respectfully assert this honored body of men and women that we have always been first and foremost in the protection and promulgation of full protection of free speech, religion and right to associate for all american citizens.".

  stratton oh: <whips out a copy of the january 1, 1997 watchtower, which he obtained somehow from somewhere .

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  How about this 'vision'..

  Watchtower attorney.. "The society has always held in high regard basic human rights such as free speech, freedom of religion etc.... The society is recognized by the United Nations ..."

  just then a GB member elbows the society attorney..

  Watchtower attorney.. "excuse me for a moment your honor....

  Sorry your honor, we've had new light on that.. Please disregard my previous statement.. And continuing on.... blah blah blah"

  heheeheheehehehehehe
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  Be Magazine Conscious!

  by MacHislopp in

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  look what worries this week the wtbs:.

  "*** km 10/99 2 service meetings for october ***.

  be magazine conscious!

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  Oh I like this one:

  "16 Show Appreciation for the Magazines: The article “Making Good Use of The Watchtower and Awake!” that was published in the July 1993 issue of Our Kingdom Ministry made this important point: “The Watchtower and Awake! do not lose their value, even if they have not all been placed within a month or two of their issue date. The information they contain does not become less important with the passage of time . . . Allowing older magazines to accumulate and never using them shows a lack of appreciation for these valuable instruments. . . . Instead of setting aside older issues and forgetting about them, would it not be better to make a special effort to place them in the hands of interested people?”

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  Interesting, I thought the older one's with "old light" might actually be judged as apostate material now... <hehehe>...
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  They're at it again!

  by RR in

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  the watchtower, october 22, 2001, page 22, column 2, paragraph 2:.

  loyaty to jehovah also includes loyalty to his organization.

  necessarily, over the years there have been corrections and adjustments to our understanding of certain scriptures.

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  Hmm,

  I wonder if this means they are about to spring some "new light" on the subject that may be damaging to the JW's had they not been forwarned in this fashion?

  Or, maybe the "new light" was already sprung?
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  Visit to UN

  by wannahelp in

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  i had my day with the "beast" <rofl>... funny, the un seemed pretty nice.. i wasn't even scared <g>.. i even learned quite a bit about the un itself... unfortunatly, i could not get my hands on a hard copy of the ngo list.

  everyone i talked to said they are out of stock currently, and having new ones printed up.. (gee, i wonder why <g>).... and, i didn't even try to get to the library because of all the security.. they were just crawling everywhere.. every room had a police officer in it, just standing there, even if the room was empty!!!.

  i had to actually walk 3 blocks to get to the united nations, as they won't let anyone in a car within 3 blocks of the complex (including taxi's).. .

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  Well,

  I had my day with the "beast" <ROFL>..

  Funny, the UN seemed pretty nice.. I wasn't even scared <G>.. I even learned quite a bit about the UN itself..

  Unfortunatly, I could NOT get my hands on a hard copy of the NGO list. Everyone I talked to said they are out of stock currently, and having new ones printed up.. (Gee, I wonder why <G>)...

  And, I didn't even try to get to the library because of all the security.. They were just crawling everywhere.. Every room had a police officer in it, just standing there, even if the room was empty!!!

  I had to actually walk 3 blocks to get to the United Nations, as they won't let anyone in a car within 3 blocks of the complex (including taxi's)..

  Like I said, I didn't even try getting to the library.. If we want to find anything there, I'll be happy to go back when things settle down a bit there.. But, I didn't want the beast to shoot me <ROFL>..

  So, here's my report:

  The UN's General Assembly was supposed to start on Sept 11, but because of the attacks, the assembly actually started Sept 12, in which the member states immediatly adopted a resolution denouncing terrorism, and the acts of Sept 11..

  There are 189 nations that are members of the UN.. The flags of every nation is displayed outside the UN complex in english alphabetical order, starting with, you guessed it, the flag of Afghanistan...

  There are only 2 countries in the world that are not "member states" of the UN, because they voted not to become member states..

  They are Switzerland and VATICAN CITY.. I thought that was interesting... Maybe we should ask the pope if he believes that the UN is the "beast" also? Hmmm....

  A member state cannot be 'forced to resign'.. The only way a member state would leave the UN would be if the state itself withdrew.. I.E. They cannot kick Afghanistan out..

  In 1999 the UN adopted a resolution telling the Taliban to turn over Bin Laden because of the US embassy bombings of 1998.. When that didn't occur, the UN passed a resolution imposing sanctions on the Taliban..

  I did purchase a 1992 UN yearbook.. That is a whopping 1300 or so pages, so it may take me some time to read through it, but the lady at the UN bookstore said that that may list the new NGO's of the year in their yearbook.. She said even if they didn't, they probably refer to the UN document that announces them, as they are pretty complete (Let's just hope they don't mislead like some other yearbook we know).. So, I'll see what I can find..

  I did find this on the train on the way back from the UN..
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  Reports to the Secretary-General -

  In response to a 1991 request of the commission on human rights, the Secretary-General in January 1992, reported on the progress made in carrying out the plan of activites. He described action taken by the United Nations bodies, coordination of the United Nations activites under the Decade, Sseminars, training courses and workshops, the status of the Trust Fund for the Programme for the Decade and implementation of activites for the Decade, including Seminars, publications, studies and future activities.

  In accordance with the Economic and Social cCouncil requests of 1985 and 1991, the Secretary-General submitted in June 1992, his annoual report summarizing activites carried out of planned by Government, United Nations bodies, specialized againcies, and regional, intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations (NGOs) to achieve the Decades objectives.

  As requested by the council in resolution 1992/13 of July 20, the Secretary-General submitted to the General Assembly in September a report on the implementation of the Progreamme of Action for the Second Decade and a draft programme of action for a third decade (1993-2003). He stated that the activites that were not completed for the second half of the second Decade owing to a lack of resources could be integrated into a propsed progeamme for a third decade. It was suggested that the goals and objectives of the third decade be those adopted by the Assembly in 1973 for the first Decade. The elements of the programme of action for the third decade were: action to combat apartheid; action to combat racism and racial discrimination at the internaltion, national and regional levels; basic research and studius on racism and racial discrimination; coorination of and reporting on the implementaiton of the programme and evaluation of its activities; and annual consultations between the United Nations, specialized agencies and NGOs to review and plan decade-related activies.

  Human Rights Commission Action -
  On 21 February 1992, the commission commended all states that had ratified or acceded to the international insdruments relevant to the decade and appealed to others to do the same. It asked Governments, International organizations and NGOs to increase and intensify their activities to combat racism, racial discrimination and apartheid and appealed for generous contributions to the trust fund.

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  Excuse my typo's and if we think it may be important, I'll be happy to scan this and give it to someone..

  Now, I have no idea what the H)(#&)&)* they are talking about here, but it certainly sounds like NGO's are expected to take an active role in the UN stuff... (remember, this is about Human Rights, which the Watchtower signed up as a Human Rights NGO). Have no idea if this would pertain to them or not, but hey, it certainly shows that some NGO's are taking an active role, and are asked to do so...

  It comes from "Yearbook of the United Nations 1992" ISBN: 0-7923-2583-4, page 709 & 710...

  I also got the brochure "NGOs and the United nations Department of Public Information: Some questions and answers" - June 1997 edition

  I'll look at that later...
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  Email from UN DPINGO

  by Trilobite in

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  i emailed the un dpi with a request for clarification on the wts/un business.

  this is what i received (below).

  it will be familiar.

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  I is going..

  I'll put a message here tomorrow night when I get back with what 'evidence' I was able to dig up..
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  Email from UN DPINGO

  by Trilobite in

  1. watchtower
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  i emailed the un dpi with a request for clarification on the wts/un business.

  this is what i received (below).

  it will be familiar.

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  If you call the DPI, they will acknowledge via the phone that the WTBTS was an NGO from 1992 to 2001..
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  The Supreme Court case is very narrow in scope

  by Seeker in

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  note this excerpt from one account of the u.s. supreme court deciding to hear this ohio case involving jws:.

  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/a63859-2001oct15.html.

  the supreme court, however, has agreed to review one particular aspect of the case: the provision of the town's permit requirement that says jehovah's witnesses or other door-to-door canvassers must display their permits, which bear their names, on demand.. in siding with stratton, the cincinnati-based 6th u.s. circuit court of appeals noted that "individuals going door-to-door .

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  Well,

  My guess is the JW's are afraid that if they start giving their names out to people when going door-to-door that the people can track them down and do a reverse harrass against them.. :-)

  It also may be nothing more than the WTBTS's only way back into court to try and plead their case...

  Finally, since the scope is sooo limited, maybe what needs to be shown is that the name is a good thing.. I personally think it is myself.. I want to see their permit and name badge, just like I ask when the utility company guy shows up at my door to see his badge..

  For that matter, how easy would it be to just create a false document stating they are registered with the city? I think a picture ID with a name would be better, just like all the utility companies and such have to put the public's mind at ease that they really are who they say they are!!!!

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  But the Jehovah's Witnesses argue that the 6th Circuit's ruling conflicts with the Supreme Court's 1995 ruling striking down an Ohio law that prohibited the distribution of unsigned political campaign literature. In that case, the court said anonymity is often necessary to enable those who advocate unpopular causes or ideas to express themselves freely.
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  I would argue that the anonymity ends when a real live warm-blooded human being shows up at my door... At that point, I have every right to ask that persons name, where they are from, who they represent, and what they want... And, if they don't answer those questions, the door gets slammed in their face!!!!

  They can anonymously drop magazines at my doorstep, but that's about it..