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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

by hawkaw in

as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

wannahelp

Hawk..

Which Brochure are you referring to? I have the "NGOs and the United Nations Departement of Public Information: Some Questions and Answers"..

Is that the brochure you are looking for?

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They're at it again!

by RR in

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the watchtower, october 22, 2001, page 22, column 2, paragraph 2:.

loyaty to jehovah also includes loyalty to his organization.

necessarily, over the years there have been corrections and adjustments to our understanding of certain scriptures.

wannahelp

Zev,

I love it...

-- In the GB room at this very moment --

Ok, how can we turn this UN scandal into $$$$$$$$ for us??? Ahh.. I know...

-- In a not-too distant Watchtower: --

"Some brothers were recently caught fornicating with the wild beast. This is understandable, after all, in our zeal to have the world come to an end, these poor misguided brothers thought that by 'spying' on the beast they could hurry things along. We, like all humans are fallible, and forgiveness should be extended to our christian brothers. We should also be mindful that Jehovah has his reasons for everything. He allowed this to happen, even if we cannot understand this at the moment. We need to accept that he hasn't shown us the corrosponding light for this event yet."

-- In a not-too-distant Awake! --

"The United Nations has done much good for the world in which we live."

-- In a not-too-distant Kingdom Ministry: --

"The Scarlet-Beast is beginning to stir.. Jehovah told us to stop our spying work with the beast. Isn't it wonderful that Jehovah allowed his will to be done, even though we did not understand the events at the time. Jehovah MAY have given us a sign.. One can only imagine what joy this brings to us, as it MAY signal Jehovah is ready to make his move.. Won't it be joyous when we are no longer hampered by satan's evil ways. And what better way than to spend the time we have left in this system of things than in field service, bringing others to see Jehovah's love."

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I Have a Dream...

by dungbeetle in

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and in that dream.... setting is the supreme court of the united states.

present are representatives of the watchtower society and of stratton, ohio.. watchtower: "and in conclusion, the watchtower socity wishes to respectfully assert this honored body of men and women that we have always been first and foremost in the protection and promulgation of full protection of free speech, religion and right to associate for all american citizens.".

stratton oh: <whips out a copy of the january 1, 1997 watchtower, which he obtained somehow from somewhere .

wannahelp

DOOH!

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Taliban - Resistence is FUTILE !

by Amazing in

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the following appeared on cnn today.

it is like something the klingon empire or the borg from star trek might say.

the us military is broadcasting all over afghanistan the following message - i believe on all frequencies.

wannahelp

Oh this is just tooo funny, or maybe it's not funny.. I'm not really sure...

Whatever it is, we have a new nickname for our president after this one: "George the Borg" Bush...

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Would a JW go beyond the scriptures?

by ozziepost in

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according to jw media, baptism "symbolizes one's dedication to god".. on this basis, a jw's allegiance and obedience is to god.

thus, the article goes on to state:jehovah's witnesses avoid making rules and regulations beyond those provided in the scriptures.

, and they do not follow traditions that contradict bible teachings.

wannahelp

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The baptismal questions from the Aug. 1, 1966 Watchtower (p. 465) were:

(1) Have you recognized yourself before Jehovah God as a sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his Son Jesus Christ?

(2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit?

The newest baptismal questions were set forth in the June 1, 1985 (p. 30) Watchtower:

(1) On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?

(2) Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?

I guess holy spirit is now "God's spirit-directed organization"

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I Have a Dream...

by dungbeetle in

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and in that dream.... setting is the supreme court of the united states.

present are representatives of the watchtower society and of stratton, ohio.. watchtower: "and in conclusion, the watchtower socity wishes to respectfully assert this honored body of men and women that we have always been first and foremost in the protection and promulgation of full protection of free speech, religion and right to associate for all american citizens.".

stratton oh: <whips out a copy of the january 1, 1997 watchtower, which he obtained somehow from somewhere .

wannahelp

How about this 'vision'..

Watchtower attorney.. "The society has always held in high regard basic human rights such as free speech, freedom of religion etc.... The society is recognized by the United Nations ..."

just then a GB member elbows the society attorney..

Watchtower attorney.. "excuse me for a moment your honor....

Sorry your honor, we've had new light on that.. Please disregard my previous statement.. And continuing on.... blah blah blah"

heheeheheehehehehehe

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Be Magazine Conscious!

by MacHislopp in

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look what worries this week the wtbs:.

"*** km 10/99 2 service meetings for october ***.

be magazine conscious!

wannahelp

Oh I like this one:

"16 Show Appreciation for the Magazines: The article “Making Good Use of The Watchtower and Awake!” that was published in the July 1993 issue of Our Kingdom Ministry made this important point: “The Watchtower and Awake! do not lose their value, even if they have not all been placed within a month or two of their issue date. The information they contain does not become less important with the passage of time . . . Allowing older magazines to accumulate and never using them shows a lack of appreciation for these valuable instruments. . . . Instead of setting aside older issues and forgetting about them, would it not be better to make a special effort to place them in the hands of interested people?”

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Interesting, I thought the older one's with "old light" might actually be judged as apostate material now... <hehehe>...

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They're at it again!

by RR in

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the watchtower, october 22, 2001, page 22, column 2, paragraph 2:.

loyaty to jehovah also includes loyalty to his organization.

necessarily, over the years there have been corrections and adjustments to our understanding of certain scriptures.

wannahelp

Hmm,

I wonder if this means they are about to spring some "new light" on the subject that may be damaging to the JW's had they not been forwarned in this fashion?

Or, maybe the "new light" was already sprung?

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Visit to UN

by wannahelp in

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i had my day with the "beast" <rofl>... funny, the un seemed pretty nice.. i wasn't even scared <g>.. i even learned quite a bit about the un itself... unfortunatly, i could not get my hands on a hard copy of the ngo list.

everyone i talked to said they are out of stock currently, and having new ones printed up.. (gee, i wonder why <g>).... and, i didn't even try to get to the library because of all the security.. they were just crawling everywhere.. every room had a police officer in it, just standing there, even if the room was empty!!!.

i had to actually walk 3 blocks to get to the united nations, as they won't let anyone in a car within 3 blocks of the complex (including taxi's).. .

wannahelp

Well,

I had my day with the "beast" <ROFL>..

Funny, the UN seemed pretty nice.. I wasn't even scared <G>.. I even learned quite a bit about the UN itself..

Unfortunatly, I could NOT get my hands on a hard copy of the NGO list. Everyone I talked to said they are out of stock currently, and having new ones printed up.. (Gee, I wonder why <G>)...

And, I didn't even try to get to the library because of all the security.. They were just crawling everywhere.. Every room had a police officer in it, just standing there, even if the room was empty!!!

I had to actually walk 3 blocks to get to the United Nations, as they won't let anyone in a car within 3 blocks of the complex (including taxi's)..

Like I said, I didn't even try getting to the library.. If we want to find anything there, I'll be happy to go back when things settle down a bit there.. But, I didn't want the beast to shoot me <ROFL>..

So, here's my report:

The UN's General Assembly was supposed to start on Sept 11, but because of the attacks, the assembly actually started Sept 12, in which the member states immediatly adopted a resolution denouncing terrorism, and the acts of Sept 11..

There are 189 nations that are members of the UN.. The flags of every nation is displayed outside the UN complex in english alphabetical order, starting with, you guessed it, the flag of Afghanistan...

There are only 2 countries in the world that are not "member states" of the UN, because they voted not to become member states..

They are Switzerland and VATICAN CITY.. I thought that was interesting... Maybe we should ask the pope if he believes that the UN is the "beast" also? Hmmm....

A member state cannot be 'forced to resign'.. The only way a member state would leave the UN would be if the state itself withdrew.. I.E. They cannot kick Afghanistan out..

In 1999 the UN adopted a resolution telling the Taliban to turn over Bin Laden because of the US embassy bombings of 1998.. When that didn't occur, the UN passed a resolution imposing sanctions on the Taliban..

I did purchase a 1992 UN yearbook.. That is a whopping 1300 or so pages, so it may take me some time to read through it, but the lady at the UN bookstore said that that may list the new NGO's of the year in their yearbook.. She said even if they didn't, they probably refer to the UN document that announces them, as they are pretty complete (Let's just hope they don't mislead like some other yearbook we know).. So, I'll see what I can find..

I did find this on the train on the way back from the UN..
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Reports to the Secretary-General -

In response to a 1991 request of the commission on human rights, the Secretary-General in January 1992, reported on the progress made in carrying out the plan of activites. He described action taken by the United Nations bodies, coordination of the United Nations activites under the Decade, Sseminars, training courses and workshops, the status of the Trust Fund for the Programme for the Decade and implementation of activites for the Decade, including Seminars, publications, studies and future activities.

In accordance with the Economic and Social cCouncil requests of 1985 and 1991, the Secretary-General submitted in June 1992, his annoual report summarizing activites carried out of planned by Government, United Nations bodies, specialized againcies, and regional, intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations (NGOs) to achieve the Decades objectives.

As requested by the council in resolution 1992/13 of July 20, the Secretary-General submitted to the General Assembly in September a report on the implementation of the Progreamme of Action for the Second Decade and a draft programme of action for a third decade (1993-2003). He stated that the activites that were not completed for the second half of the second Decade owing to a lack of resources could be integrated into a propsed progeamme for a third decade. It was suggested that the goals and objectives of the third decade be those adopted by the Assembly in 1973 for the first Decade. The elements of the programme of action for the third decade were: action to combat apartheid; action to combat racism and racial discrimination at the internaltion, national and regional levels; basic research and studius on racism and racial discrimination; coorination of and reporting on the implementaiton of the programme and evaluation of its activities; and annual consultations between the United Nations, specialized agencies and NGOs to review and plan decade-related activies.

Human Rights Commission Action -
On 21 February 1992, the commission commended all states that had ratified or acceded to the international insdruments relevant to the decade and appealed to others to do the same. It asked Governments, International organizations and NGOs to increase and intensify their activities to combat racism, racial discrimination and apartheid and appealed for generous contributions to the trust fund.

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Excuse my typo's and if we think it may be important, I'll be happy to scan this and give it to someone..

Now, I have no idea what the H)(#&)&)* they are talking about here, but it certainly sounds like NGO's are expected to take an active role in the UN stuff... (remember, this is about Human Rights, which the Watchtower signed up as a Human Rights NGO). Have no idea if this would pertain to them or not, but hey, it certainly shows that some NGO's are taking an active role, and are asked to do so...

It comes from "Yearbook of the United Nations 1992" ISBN: 0-7923-2583-4, page 709 & 710...

I also got the brochure "NGOs and the United nations Department of Public Information: Some questions and answers" - June 1997 edition

I'll look at that later...

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Email from UN DPINGO

by Trilobite in

i emailed the un dpi with a request for clarification on the wts/un business.

this is what i received (below).

it will be familiar.

wannahelp

I is going..

I'll put a message here tomorrow night when I get back with what 'evidence' I was able to dig up..