just looking briefly on this board, i can see all the warnings given in the watchtower about those leaving the organisation and sinking into the mire of the world are true.. you are all sad losers.
Hey Billy,
Have you read the bible lately? Did you read what it says about false prophets? What would you do if I showed you from your own literature that the WT has claimed to be a prophet on many occasions? Can you show me just ONE of their prophecies that has come true? No? Then why don't you follow the bible like it says, and "don't be afraid of the false prophet?"
- Wannahelp
i'm talking the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about their organization---up front, not subtly creeping it in.
two of them caught me by surprise this morning at my door (nobody here knows me from adam) offering the awake magazine on battered women.
i was incredulous, having had experience with being a battered woman and a witness all at the same time.
Hi metatron,
I agree whole heartidly with you..!!!!
That is what I want to see being brought to the forefront..
In the courtrooms would be excellent, but I think if the media does it correctly, it will protect the majority of non-witnesses from ever getting caught up in this 'cult' in the first place!!!!
I still maintain that no matter how much 'evidence' we unearth against the WTBTS, witnesses that don't want to see it will be able to ignore or rationalize it away.. Witnesses that are truly looking for truth will use it as a way to break the bondage of slavery..
But, in both cases, the average joe on the street that doesn't know anything about witnesses is still in danger of their 'dreaded bible studies'..
I think getting the word out about their 'lying tactics' would be just as big or even bigger to average people than the clild molestation case.. Hate to say it, but average people have heard about the catholic church and their problems with Child Molestation.. So, average people may even be able to 'rationalize' that one away, as saying ok, they are like all other churces, and they have their problems too... And even if the average person cannot rationalize it away, you can bet that the WT will have a canned line or two to rationalize it away, and mention the catholic church's problems with similiar situations as well.. There is a correlary there, and an average person may be able to get sucked in simply because something that 'sounds' similiar has happened in another church..
But, there is NO correlary to a church (although it certainly is a correlary to destructive cults) to actually promote lying and deception to people on the outside... When a person hears this, they will automatically think CULT -- DANGER...
The WT can spin away the child molestation cases, so long as people don't do real research.. But, I don't think they will ever be able to spin away 'lying and deception' doctrines.. Even if people don't do research on that one, all they will ever have to do is hear it mentioned that the WT practices lies and deception to recruit new members, and that will stick with all people.. And they will be forever on gaurd when a knock comes at the door..
So, I cannot agree more with you.. The VERY IMPORTANT issue is getting the "Theocratic Warfare Strategy" out to the masses.. It takes away the MAJOR tool they use to begin their indoctrination procedure against new members, and also will frustrate everything they do from here on end, as everything they say will be looked at with the fine toothed comb that it should be to interpret the often double-meanings that they use...
- Wannahelp
well, i've made it through the first year!
one year out and still surviving - despite the fact that they said i would come crawling back with my tail between my legs!!.
i cant believe a year could go by so fast and also that you could achieve so much.
Happy Anniversary!!!!
well, this may be a bit of a strange post, so brace yourself.
lol!.
do you think you would enjoy living on a modern day version of gilligan's island with a few good friends?
Where's the island.. I'm on it now :-)
i'm talking the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about their organization---up front, not subtly creeping it in.
two of them caught me by surprise this morning at my door (nobody here knows me from adam) offering the awake magazine on battered women.
i was incredulous, having had experience with being a battered woman and a witness all at the same time.
Hi Bridgette,
I agree with you 10000000%...
That is why I think it is sooooo important to get the UN issue out to the public.. They will either have to admit they lied, or admit they used "Theocratic Warfare" to associate with the UN in the first place..
As soon as non-witnesses know the truth about the witnesses, and their 'door-to-door' tactics, no one will trust them..
I can just imagine it now:
Knock Konck
Hello..
Good morning Maam.. Do you know that we are living in the time of the end.. The bible says so right here....
Oh, are you one of those Jehovah's Witnesses I heard about on TV last month on that UN special.
Err, yes, I am a Jehovah's witness..
Ah, you're the ones that use something called "Theocratic Warfare strategy" which means basically lie to me to show me your version of "truth", right? Thank you, but no thank you.. Door slams in face..
On another note, I had a bible study with a couple of JW's about 9 months back.. Since I was reading all this information, I knew the answers to alot of interesting stuff that I knew they would not tell me directly... I don't know how many times I allowed them to back themselves into a corner with a "half-truth" and then, although it usually took 1/2 - 1 hour to get them to fess up, get them to say the real truth.. EVERY TIME WITHOUT EXCEPTION that I got them to say what they really meant, their excuse for lying was, "Oh, you may have misinterpreted what we said".. And every time, I replied, "If you knew that we were going to misinterpret what you said and didn't do anything about it, it is lying.."..
I finally sprang it on them that I knew all about Theocratic Warfare Strategy, and WOW! did that upset them... They then replied about "having to feed on milk before you get solid food" or something like that!!!
I replied if you are not telling me the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, then the "milk" you are feeding me is tainted..
Needless to say, the bible study ended shorlty thereafter :-)
as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.
and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .
after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
Hi Lookin,
Which letter are you talking about?
as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.
and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .
after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
THanks HappyDay!!!!!
Much appreciated!!!!
- Wannahelp
question for opposers:.
if world events unfold pretty much as the wts predicts (or rather, as they interpret the bible to predict), and this culminates in armageddon, where jehovah makes himself known and publicly endorses jws.... .
how would you begin rationalize that?
Oh,
Alienone, just so we are clear that the WT does more than just "interpret" the bible when making prophecies, I give you these..
Please contrast these statements from the WT with:
(From the New International Version)
Deuteronomy 18:18 - 22
18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.
19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.
20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."
21 You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?"
22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
question for opposers:.
if world events unfold pretty much as the wts predicts (or rather, as they interpret the bible to predict), and this culminates in armageddon, where jehovah makes himself known and publicly endorses jws.... .
how would you begin rationalize that?
Alienone said:
"Question for opposers:
If world events unfold pretty much as the WTS predicts (or rather, as they interpret the Bible to predict), and this culminates in Armageddon, where Jehovah makes himself known and publicly endorses JWs....
How would you begin rationalize that? "
Well, for starters, I'd ask why god lied in the bible? After all, Deuterotemy clearly shows via the Watchtower's own statements that they are false prophets..
So, I'd have to wonder why God lied to me...
BTW: Obviously, God cannot lie, so the only explanation is that the JW's are not prophets, and if they do get it right somehow, it will be by mere accident..
And I'm not holding out any hope that they got it correct this time, either.. After all, they should have something in their record to fall back on..
At least this way, in a future watchtower they can honestly say, "We have a 100% proven track record with our prophecies".. Getting any of their prophecies correct, and they couldn't claim that distincive honor any longer!!!
I think a better question, however, would be why has it been 120+ years, and they still haven't gotten one prophecy right yet? Even an average person has better luck than that.. Could it be that GOD doesn't want them to get anything right, and is making sure to 'frustrate' the false prophet, so as to give warning to any WT followers to "get out of her" before it's too late?
[h3]here is the watchtower's official explanations on the un scandal
