Posts by wasasister

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My Girlfriend Admitted Adultery, Is she still a JW

by JohnHenry in

i've been dating a woman who is a jw and is currently going through a divorce from an abusive relationship.  she has admitted adultery (stupid) though there was never any proof.  she did mention something about excommunticated, but it's difficult to get answers from her because she doesn't want to talk about it.  that is probably because i'm atheist, and obviously her views are opposite of mine.  but i'm having trouble getting a straight answer from anyone at this point.  if she is excommunicated is she still a jw?  any help would be greatly appreciated.  thanks.

wasasister

If a JW admits to a disfellowshipping offense (and adulter qualifies), there is no need for proof. A confession is proof. What happens next depends on several factors.

If she says she is sincerely sorry and promises never to do it again, if she weeps and the elders think the tears are genuine, if she happens to get a committee of brothers who are sympathetic to her and not hard liners; IF all of those things happen, she may be privately reprooved.

You haven't supplied very much information. For instantance, you said she is in the process of obtaining a divorce.

Is she still living with her husband under the same roof?

Is she still attending meetings?

Are you the other party to the adultery?

Do you intend to marry her?

Is her husband in good standing in the congregation and do the elders know/believe the abuse?

Does she want to remain a JW?

If you answer these questions, we may be able to answer yours.

Wasa

PS to Simon: what is up with the formatting of the above post?

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Seattle Times reporter calls about more victims

by Mulan in

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friends

bruce baker, who led the press conference a week ago, in seattle, just called to tell me that the reporter who wrote the article for the seattle times, had called him to say there were 36 victims who replied to her after her article came out.

they all have told her the information is correct, but that they are fearful of "coming out" because they are still active jw's, and are in fear of being df'd.

she is planning an in-depth article in the times to correspond with the march on september 27.. stay tuned.

wasasister

Bruce Baker has been a great behind-the-scenes player in this, especially in the Pacific Northwest. (Can anyone forget the Tacoma Dome parking scandal?)

He deserves our gratitude. Ven, can you pass this along to the gentleman?

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FATHER PIC 2

by honestly in

to notso perfect......what do i have against her?i have known her since childbirth,and once upon a time she was a normal sweet person who loved her parents,then she changed.it started when she met scott i would say.thats when her troubles began after she got married.she started exploiting herself sexually and started makin up the wildest stories about her husband and herself and thats when i realized that she wasnt the same person and i realized what kind of morals she had and she started sayingthings about scott that was when i realized she isnt right.as the yrs went by she just got worse.and now i dont even know her,she has stretched her testomony and much of it is downright lies.i have actual letters from vicky from yrs back that contradict what she is claiming now.. why do i have against her???

?she has torn her family apart even cousins and aunts and uncles who can see right thru her.see you guy dont know both sides and you never will because vicky knows shes does enough damage and will come to her senses and her brainwashing by frank mottrill is coming out.you see he is usinh vicky as a pawn to get back at the wts for his own wrongdoing.anyway it will soon be over........i personally will never look or talk to her again,she has been disowned my her realtives,most are not even witnesses so what does that tell you.. for the record many of you may not know this but the lawyer for the wts.

is not even a witness!

wasasister

What is worse? The abuser, or those who excuse and cover for them?

Both will pay a price ultimately.

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FATHER PIC 2

by honestly in

to notso perfect......what do i have against her?i have known her since childbirth,and once upon a time she was a normal sweet person who loved her parents,then she changed.it started when she met scott i would say.thats when her troubles began after she got married.she started exploiting herself sexually and started makin up the wildest stories about her husband and herself and thats when i realized that she wasnt the same person and i realized what kind of morals she had and she started sayingthings about scott that was when i realized she isnt right.as the yrs went by she just got worse.and now i dont even know her,she has stretched her testomony and much of it is downright lies.i have actual letters from vicky from yrs back that contradict what she is claiming now.. why do i have against her???

?she has torn her family apart even cousins and aunts and uncles who can see right thru her.see you guy dont know both sides and you never will because vicky knows shes does enough damage and will come to her senses and her brainwashing by frank mottrill is coming out.you see he is usinh vicky as a pawn to get back at the wts for his own wrongdoing.anyway it will soon be over........i personally will never look or talk to her again,she has been disowned my her realtives,most are not even witnesses so what does that tell you.. for the record many of you may not know this but the lawyer for the wts.

is not even a witness!

wasasister

Vicky and Scott:

I don't care if "Honestly" is a member of your family or not, but thank you for clarifying. I did notice that when the personal name "Karen" was used, the poster fled.

What does matter is:

You, and other victims have a great deal of support. Some of us who have never suffered abuse as you have do have first-hand knowledge of how the elders handle these situations. Everything you have accused them of has the ring of truth.

Your courage and strength are an inspiration to victims everywhere. I can't imagine what you must be going through to face interrogation once again.

Don't let the scum of this world get to you. For every one of those low-life-abuser-protecting-smegging-pieces-of-dross, there are hundreds of others who admire and respect the stand you are taking.

There in spirit:

Wasa

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What reason is there to live???

by songmistress in

this is a for real question, not just hypothetical.

some of you are aware that i am going through a very rough time.

i have been diagnosed with chronic major depression, probably from childhood.

wasasister

Give the medication a chance to work. You are suffering from a very real disease which is interferring with your ability to make responsible choices. It's not your fault.

Please call someone. If you don't have a friend you can trust, call a crisis center.

If you write to me at the address I've given you, I will give you my home phone number.

Concerned,

Wasa

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What reason is there to live???

by songmistress in

this is a for real question, not just hypothetical.

some of you are aware that i am going through a very rough time.

i have been diagnosed with chronic major depression, probably from childhood.

wasasister

The best I can think of off the top of my head is this:

The possibility that you might have a positive influence on someone in the future.

After you recover, hopefully, from your depression, you will have a unique understanding of people who have been in your situation. Perhaps you might be in a position to lend a hand, heart, shoulder, to someone who feels as you do right now. It could be a family memeber, friend, or complete stranger.

You life, your example, may become the turning point for someone else. Don't deny the chance to be there for someone someday.

Write to me personally if you'd like.

Wasasister, [email protected]

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FATHER PIC 2

by honestly in

to notso perfect......what do i have against her?i have known her since childbirth,and once upon a time she was a normal sweet person who loved her parents,then she changed.it started when she met scott i would say.thats when her troubles began after she got married.she started exploiting herself sexually and started makin up the wildest stories about her husband and herself and thats when i realized that she wasnt the same person and i realized what kind of morals she had and she started sayingthings about scott that was when i realized she isnt right.as the yrs went by she just got worse.and now i dont even know her,she has stretched her testomony and much of it is downright lies.i have actual letters from vicky from yrs back that contradict what she is claiming now.. why do i have against her???

?she has torn her family apart even cousins and aunts and uncles who can see right thru her.see you guy dont know both sides and you never will because vicky knows shes does enough damage and will come to her senses and her brainwashing by frank mottrill is coming out.you see he is usinh vicky as a pawn to get back at the wts for his own wrongdoing.anyway it will soon be over........i personally will never look or talk to her again,she has been disowned my her realtives,most are not even witnesses so what does that tell you.. for the record many of you may not know this but the lawyer for the wts.

is not even a witness!

wasasister

"Honestly" provides a valuable lesson in attacking the victim. Let's consider for a moment what the trial is about.

The abuse has been established. It matters not what Vicky is like now; not her moral character; her behavior; her dress or groooming. At the time she suffered abuse, she was an innocent. She was later victimized again by elders forcing her to confront her abuser and relive the horror.

Frankly, I don't care one bit if Vicky enjoys a stellar reputation or not. This does nothing to excuse the sub-human monster (I can't call such a person a "man", as it insults others of that gender) who would use his own daughter for sexual gratification. Nor does it exuse the lack of understanding and compassion by the religious body - the elders and by extension the WTS - who mishandled the case when it came to light.

Along with several others, I've noticed Honestly makes no judgements whatsoever about the abuser in this case. What about that scumbag's moral character? Has the family disowned that?

What about it, Honestly. Care to tell us all how you view Vicky's (so-called) father? Are you proud to know "it"?

Wasa

Edited by - wasasister on 14 September 2002 11:51:48

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It Aint Noone, It's Your

by Francois in

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friends

noone is bad enough, i'll warrant (see thread below), but the offense against not only oxford, but against webster, that eclipses them all is the use of your when you mean you're.

this one is enough to drive both the devil and daniel webster straight up the wall; and it's everywhere you look.

how did some of you gentle folk ever get out of eighth grade?.

wasasister

I've always liked this version of correct English:

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Do You Like Where You Live?

by MegaDude in

jw
friends

i'm writing this in dallas, texas.

as i write this, we're having another day of a grade red ozone alert.

in simple terms, our air quality is terrible.

wasasister

The Pacific Northwest is, in my opinion, one of the best places on earth. We enjoy a combination of great natural beauty: snow-capped mountains, salt and fresh water recreation, rain forests, beaches, clean air and water - with cultural and economic advantages: good jobs (although not as good as in recent years), top rated symphony and art museum, fine restaurants, cultural diversity, great shopping, professional sports teams (a few of whom even win games from time to time), entertainment for all tastes.

I can't remember the last time we had a pollution alert, although we do suffer from very bad traffic and not enough mass transit.

I've traveled more in the past few years than I have in my entire life, and although I've seen many wonderful places, I'd still choose to live here.

Wasa

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Requiem

by wasasister in

jw
friends

tomorrow, mozart's requiem mass will be performed in every time zone around the world.

it's being called the "rolling requiem" and the idea originated in seattle.

most, if not all, performances are free of charge.. although this piece of music was written with the latin words of a ritual roman catholic death mass, the music is transcendent of religion.

wasasister

Thanks, I'll take the blender filled with Tequilla and lime, please.

As for the lies behind door #2, I've had them all in my previous life, thank you very much.

Any time you want to talk composers, let me know....I'm all ears.

My younger daughter, Littlesister, was in attendence at the Seattle performance of the Requiem, along with 17,000 others in the open baseball stadium, Safeco Field. It's a sunny, glorious late summer day here, and she described it as "purely amazing." Her company had obtained tickets for everyone wanting to attend.