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  Troll Accusations

  by Frazzled UBM in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have noticed that some of us are a bit too eager to label new posters as trolls.

  while it is clear that there are some posters who just like to stir up trouble or are out and out apologists there are others who are witnesses starting to have genuine doubts and so ask questions but then when they see the responses the cognitive dissonance kicks in and they push back and argue with what they are being told.

  this can lead to very negative reactions from jwn members and accusations that the person is a troll.

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  villagegirl

  Please tell FL Panther that he will know when Armageddon is

  happening when he sees lightening striking all Kingdom Halls.
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  Imitate the Faith of Moses Study Article

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the study article imitate the faith of moses study article, is the same old blah that they always have.

  moses, a guy who lived 4000 years ago, did.

  something when he was 40 years old when he was in egypt and when he was in the wilderness at the burning bush, an angel communicated with him.. .

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  villagegirl

  The Watchtower and the Governing Body has by their teaching

  identified themselves as the "thief" Jesus spoke about in John 10:10

  John 10:10
  10 The thief cometh not but to steal and to kill and to destroy.

  I am come that they might have life, and that they

  might have it more abundantly.

  Jesus came to set us FREE to have us use our talents

  and NOT bury them in the ground, to have life and have it abundantly.

  John 10:10
  New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
  10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.

  I have come so they can have life.

  I want them to have it in the fullest possible way.
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  Where does the Governing Body say "old light" comes from?

  by matt2414 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the governing body claims they've received "new light" from jehovah every time they change their doctrine.

  so where did the "old light" come from that's being replaced?

  if the old light is incorrect, could it have come from god?

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  villagegirl

  Matt24142. Are the GB guilty of blasphemy by tacitly claiming that God lied to them and fed them false light?

  Excellent point, no wonder there are so many ex-jws

  turned angry atheists. They come out of a religion,

  the WT, that presents God as a game player who toys with

  them and keeps changing the rules and punishes them

  if they disobey, or kills them, and later says,

  "Oh the rules have now changed and all

  that we said before is old light"

  All those babies that died? Because they needed an organ

  transplant or some blood fraction ? Can now have it,

  and all those dates we said you should stop your life for?

  Meant nothing at all. This is who they present God to be,

  untrustworthy, and they turn people against God,

  since they claim to speak for Him.
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  WT Society Alters their History as " The Party " did in George Orwell's 1984

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  finally my wife and i got around to reading george orwell's " 1984 " .

  as many of you know who have read the book that " the party " or " big brother " as the ruling power in the book is called ; constantly changes records of it's past dealings so as to deceive the public about any false forecasts they may have mistakenly made ; in an effort to put forth a positive image of itself it destroys past embarrassing records or paperwork which would expose the " party " as a failure.

  much the way the wt society has altered their history to deceive the public and their own members.. notice this quote from george orwell's " 1984 " on pg.

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  villagegirl

  China does the same thing, alters the massacre at Tiananmen Square

  so that the younger generation does not know what really happened there.

  It seems to be a characteristic of totalitarian regimes. Young Chinese

  university students have no knowledge of their own countries atrocities.

  So again we have the analogy of the Watchtower Society as North Korea.
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  Getting kicked out.

  by bobert in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sometime this week.

  my parents are getting a lot of heat from the congregation, and tension in my house was already super high.

  i know it's inevitable.

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  villagegirl

  People who think they "need time to save money" end up working

  for ten to twenty years trying to save money, because without

  education you cannot find work that will pay any more than hand to mouth

  wages. If you are young, between 17- 23 - get into a college, get into

  campus housing. In California community colleges are practically free,

  get grants , get loans, but don;t put it off, you will get stuck if you do.

  Single, young people of average intelligence can do this.
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  Getting kicked out.

  by bobert in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sometime this week.

  my parents are getting a lot of heat from the congregation, and tension in my house was already super high.

  i know it's inevitable.

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  villagegirl

  He is a minor or his parents would not be responsible for him.

  Apply to UBC if you are in Vancouver, or any college and live in

  the dorms on help from your parents, grants, work-study, and

  loans, immerse yourself in a different world of exploration, whether

  it be the sciences or the arts or any field that interests you, just

  devote yourself full time, into another kind of community. All of this

  will fall away from you as you see the whole universe from a different

  perspective and work on developing yout gifts. Its your only hope.

  Don't let the WT cause you to bury your "talents" in the ground.

  Thats what they do best, annihilate postive growth. Call university

  housing, go for an interview, get information on campus housing,

  pack your bags and go.
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  Where does the Governing Body say "old light" comes from?

  by matt2414 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the governing body claims they've received "new light" from jehovah every time they change their doctrine.

  so where did the "old light" come from that's being replaced?

  if the old light is incorrect, could it have come from god?

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  matt2414 You have devised a BRILLIANT question.

  The Governing Body claims they've received "new light" from Jehovah

  every time they change their doctrine.

  So where did the "old light" come from that's being replaced?

  The question strikes at the core issue,

  of the GB being appointed to be God's "sole channel".

  If the Watchowers premise is followed

  to its logical conclusion, then all writers in the past ,

  including Paul who wrote 14 books of the new testament,

  should be treated like the WT treats their old publications.

  No other church hides and is embarrassed by their past writings,

  the way the Watchtower is. This is a pivotal point to help release

  believers who are stuck in the WT web. It is not an occasion for

  mocking God and all religion. Its a question that is valuable to

  freeing people who see only a pack of atheists here waiting to

  pounce on them. Here for no constructive reason.
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  Governing Body Are They The Faithful And Discreet Slave Or The Faithful and Discreet Shyster

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. forum
  2. suggestions

  this new 100th memorial year of the begining rule of the imaginary kingdom of the heavens is turniing out to bring windfall profits to the watchtower corporation.

  already the gb are selling real estate like there was no tomorrow and the way it looks this is just the begining as they try to liquidate assets before the "great disappointment" gets in full swing, take the money and run seems to be the new tune for these charlatans.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wcfugcollu.

  faithful to what?

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  villagegirl

  Even the term "faithful and discreet" even the term is wrong.

  its a bad translation, of a translation,

  The three verses they use to establish their own

  personal Hierarchy over other people,

  it is refering to any person who is

  good and faithful and uses their resources

  and stewardship in a good way.

  Its about who is a reliable and creative person ?

  Who buries their talents, or resources out of fear,

  and who uses them ?

  It does not mean what they say it does.

  J B Phillips translates it: ‘Well done!’ said his master,

  ‘you’re a sound, reliable servant. You’ve been trustworthy

  over a few things, now I’m going to put you in charge of many.

  Come in and share your master’s pleasure.’

  Meaning, God wants us to succeed and live abundantly

  and without FEAR. The fearful servant was scolded for

  not using what he he had been given.

  Its about creating abundance in our own lives,

  not enslaving ourselves to eight men in New York , USA.
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  Heads Up: If you are an older JW, WT has no further use for you!

  by AndDontCallMeShirley in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt is retiring district overseers, has sent older jws serving at bethel packing despite years of faithful service, and as of june 1, 2014, has announced that any elder that has reached 80 years of age is no longer valued or wanted as a cobe.

  in wt land it would appear that older people have little or no value, and wt sees no reason to use them in any meaningful capacity.

  i wonder how this makes older ones feel after devoting their lives to wt's interests while shelving their own hopes and dreams?.

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  villagegirl

  Its not only old people, that can expose the WT for its muddled

  and embarrassing past actions and beliefs , its all the old books.

  Like the Finished Mystery , published in 1917

  "Old Light" ? Really ?

  Have you ever asked yourself why

  Christian writers in all churches,

  and notably, Thomas Aquinas, who wrote

  exclusively theological and

  philisophiical books, and wrote them

  from 1244 to 1274 are still read

  and studied in universities all over the world?

  His works stood the test of time, and he was living

  in the early Middle ages before the enlightenment.

  Yet Watchtower publications barely a hundred years old are considered

  useless 'old light" and too embaarrassing to publish and distribute ?

  Thomas Aquinas, here are examples of only a few books

  he wrote and that still read and studied in schools and universities.

  Exegtical, homiletical, and liturgical writings;

  Commentaries on Job, Psalms and Isaiah 1261-65

  Catena aurea ( The Golden Chain )

  Commentaries on Canticles and Jeremiah

  On the Principles of Nature, 1255

  On Being and Essence, 1252- 1256

  Commentary on the Gospel of Mattew, 1269-1272

  Against the Errors of the Greeks, to Pope Urban 1V, 1263

  Disputed Questions on the Power of God, 1259 - 1268

  Disputed Questions on Spiritual Creatures 1266

  Commentary of the Eight Books of Physics 1268 - 1271

  The Catholic Church does not hide these books, or prevent their

  followers from reading them, because they are "old"

  as does the WT of its old literature. It proudly displays them

  and uses them as still of interest to modern day theology

  and philosophy. The list of Thomas Aquinas's writings is too long

  to be contained in this forum.
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  How Many Prayed Out Loud whilst they were at a restaurant?

  by LoisLane looking for Superman in

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  2. friends

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  not loudly, but just so your table could hear?.

  ll.

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  villagegirl

  The woman descibed as "wordly" (can we now drop that self righteous phrase)

  who said "Hallelujah" was doing so in support of the prayer, in a spirit of joy

  and connection she felt to what she thought she was seeing, Christians, but she

  got slapped in the face by the self righteous JW man. She really did have no idea

  about who these arrogant, anti-Christ, doomsday cult people were,and how they

  had judged her already.