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  Is it common for Jehovah's Witnesses to turn to alcohol when they realize the Watchtower is a scam

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  because they don't know what to do and they want to numb the pain .

  especially for bornins..

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  disposable hero wrote:

  Fancy a stout right now. Stuff it, going to have one....

  what kind?
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  Is this new donation arrangement for real?

  by nugget in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.

  congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.

  congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.

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  We really are the pot calling the kettle black when we let unreasonableness and unobjective conjecture run rampant.
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  Is this new donation arrangement for real?

  by nugget in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.

  congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.

  congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.

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  undercover wrote:

  Let's stick with facts and official documentation of what the WTS actually proposes to do, instead of letting imaginations run wild into some conspiracy theory universe, where reality doesn't exist...

  Ah, the voice of reason. Thank you undercover.
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  Is it common for Jehovah's Witnesses to turn to alcohol when they realize the Watchtower is a scam

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  because they don't know what to do and they want to numb the pain .

  especially for bornins..

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  I am a born-in and yes, I regularly get hammered, especially drinking beer by myself. Instead of hanging out with some cute girl and having a family, I usually just sit at home and drink beers and then add them to my beer list. Bleh.

  Though, for some odd reason, I don't get fat, I stay thin.
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  Elderettes?

  by mellojello in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hey everyone i'm new here.

  i'm not baptised but i've been qoute on qoute 'studying' for the past 4-5 years.

  i'm almost 20. i've been lurking and i've seen a lot of posts about elderettes.

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  Will firing the DOs be the first step to a new Watchtower?

  by Juan Viejo2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  against my better judgement, i've decided to share the following as a response to guy pierce passing and the announcement of the elimination of district overseers later this year.. late in january (2014) i got an email from one of my contacts (a fader) who served at bethel for several years, but is no longer at wt hq.

  he still has a lot of close contacts within the service department and in other departments at patterson and knows people in all of the ny offices.

  i kept this email set aside on a flash drive and haven't shared it with anyone - figuring i'd publish an article about it later this year when i had more time to do it right.

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  Roddy wrote:

  Either way it will cause the COs to be more affiliated with the congregations than with the WTS company, the congregations to becoming more autonomous, and the local body of elders to becoming more powerful and autonomous within their congregations.

  Your ignorance to the current timetable of events aside, the above statement is possibly the most astute and accurate description of what is likely to happen.

  As has been mentioned on this forum, if we look at the setup in the first century, there is no DO position. You have the governing body, traveling ministers, local overseers, and congregations. Paul's position relied mainly on his own finances and the local congregations to support him. He also had more weight in making descisions, most of the time not even consulting the the body in Jerusalem. If the JW organization wants to mimic this heirarchy, the elimination of DO is a step towards that goal.

  I would not be surprised if the circuits get broken up further into smaller sets of congregations. Currently my circuit is made up of 24 congregations. If our CO gets to each hall twice a year, that's 48 weeks, and leaves just 4 weeks free. This leaves little margin for error, or any significant time off for the CO. If the circuit were to be only 18 congregations, or even 15, you could have more visits from from the CO at certain halls that need additional direction/management, while allowing the CO more time off as well.

  What could also happen, possibly, is an assistant/training CO position to come about. Since we have these extra former DOs, you could have two, even three COs for one circuit. This gives better opportunity for COs to be trained thoroughly, in the congregations, on the ground, in the field. The assistant/training CO can help in a variety of ways, as did Timothy with Paul; ie. give talks, handle idiotic judicial comittees, etc. The CO is freed up to make sure congregations are covering their territories, appointing the RIGHT men, and generally having better visability on the spiritual health of the circuit.
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  Are You Raising An Introvert?

  by darth frosty in

  1. jw
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  its not easy being an introvert in an extrovert worldespecially when youre a kid.

  it is even more difficult if none of the adults in the kids life recognize that the child is an introvert.

  this doesnt happen only when the childs parents are extroverts, but also with introverted parents who have never understood their own introverted nature.. .

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  darth,

  lol, along with tornapart's comment, the very last caption made me lol! Also, now that I think about it, Picard is an introvert, and Kirk is an extrovert, which is why when asked which one, I always pick Picard. Ha, makes sense!
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  Are You Raising An Introvert?

  by darth frosty in

  1. jw
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  its not easy being an introvert in an extrovert worldespecially when youre a kid.

  it is even more difficult if none of the adults in the kids life recognize that the child is an introvert.

  this doesnt happen only when the childs parents are extroverts, but also with introverted parents who have never understood their own introverted nature.. .

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  a watcher wrote:

  I refuse some privileges because it would mean too much contact with others. CAs and RCs are uncomfortable for me, but I go to encourage my friends.

  I know exactly how you feel. I've refused privileges for almost the same reason. I can't bear to hear my name announced from the platform, and just thinking about the congratulatory phase afterwards makes me feel like someone is scraping their nails down a chalkboard. Also, when I ask the elders, "what convinces you that I have holy spirit operating upon me" they can't seem to enunciate an appropriate answer, or if I ask "what do you think I can work on?" they say, "oh wow, nothing, you're doing great", which is epic lies because EVERYONE has something they can work on or improve.

  CA and RC/DC are daunting for me. Thankfully I am a brother, and usually I am in an assignment, so I can hang around in an office or a department and take cover during the sensory-overload social hours. Talks are great because one person is speaking at a time, which allows me great reflection time, and I can zone out if the speaker starts parroting hearsay or otherwise engaging in unobjective organizational suppositions.
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  Are You Raising An Introvert?

  by darth frosty in

  1. jw
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  its not easy being an introvert in an extrovert worldespecially when youre a kid.

  it is even more difficult if none of the adults in the kids life recognize that the child is an introvert.

  this doesnt happen only when the childs parents are extroverts, but also with introverted parents who have never understood their own introverted nature.. .

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  jgnat, thanks for the reference! I have to get that, and the book Quiet that Xanthippe is reading as well
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  Are You Raising An Introvert?

  by darth frosty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  its not easy being an introvert in an extrovert worldespecially when youre a kid.

  it is even more difficult if none of the adults in the kids life recognize that the child is an introvert.

  this doesnt happen only when the childs parents are extroverts, but also with introverted parents who have never understood their own introverted nature.. .

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  Darth,

  First of all, thanks for bumping this old and good thread, and posting those articles. I myself am an INTJ. Not only do I struggle with my introversion because of the parasitic nature of extroverts, but I also find difficulty with my strong judging aspect. As a judger, I seek closure, definite plans, and concrete actions. This is in direct contrast with the perceiver type that can keep their options open, multi-task effortlessly, do mindless repetitive tasks, and can talk aimlessly for hours about absolutely nothing.

  Being a JW does absolutely nothing to help me in these areas. I find myself drained and exhausted after each meeting, and in recent years assemblies and conventions have become chaotic events that need a weeks preparation for me to produce enough energy to offset what I will inevitably loose at these occasions. And field service??? LOLOLOLOL, I've never, and don't think ever in the future will I posses a zeal, exuberance, or honest desire for the “organizational ministry”. Dating is another epic fail zone for me. Not only am I part of a zealot based elitist religion that views marriage as dishonorable, but I have no desire or appetite for the endless and quite often ambiguous dating rituals. I couldn’t small talk a chick, even if my life depended on it. Oh well, there’s always porn . . . lots and lots of porn . . . so sad.

  Don’t fret, there is a very positive side to all of this, and I’ve only really appreciated it recently, though if I look back on my life it has been there the whole time. In the second article posted by Darth at the outset of this thread, it enumerates five key areas where introverts excel, and these five areas translate into JW leadership gold. Since the majority of R&F are made up of leeching extroverts who can’t create, need constant stimulus, and are fanatical about upholding all the pharisaical rules of the organization, they ultimately fail at spiritual progression (Heb 5:12). They don’t meditate, reflect, hold their words, have patience, or true discernment (Prov 10:19). I’d say the majority of the CO/elder/ministerial servant group is extroverts concerned with an outward display of faith (Mark 12:38-40).

  Now enter the introvert. I have built an INSANE amount of respect, and dare I say even awe, by saying just one or two things (Isa 50:4). I have found that it is indeed an impressive thing to use silence to judge, and draw out peoples ideas and thoughts (Prov 20:5). When I read the Bible from the platform, I can hear a goddamn PIN drop in the back lobby. By precisely timing very carefully thought out comments, a bland watchtower discussion and an aimless conductor are suddenly invigorated with ideas, and encouragement (1Cor 9:26). And when I read threads like this that highlight value of introverts, I can’t help from feeling a certain ping of responsibility because I know I too am introverted and sensitive (Jas 3:13). So for all of my complaining and worries, I feel that as an introvert, my strengths greatly outweigh my weaknesses, especially when it comes to leading by example, and encouraging others. As you can see, I have reflected on myself and the bible very closely, intimately, as a lot of introverts are sure to be able to do. Through the struggles of being associated with the WTBS and all it’s nonsense, my personal life and everything, the words at Jas 1:22-25 have always helped me, and those around me.

  I would love to hear others comments on being an introvert, especially if you are still in the JW religion, and even more so if you were born in. Thanks for taking the time to read this, (and the scriptures if you even bothered . . . pssh, I know, the bible, right?) Feel free to give your opposing views as well; I only progress when I listen to and embrace strong, logical criticism.