my wife and i are starting to look into moving out of the u.s. we are looking at both canada and australia but are leaning to canada.
keep in mind we are just starting to do research so we haven't delved too far in to the politics or locations in canada.
does anyone have any location suggestions?
Taxes are high in Canada, lower in Alberta (no provincial tax) - re-visiting the States you will find your hard earned Canadian dollar won't go far. I personally prefer Montreal over Toronto (expensive housing) or Vancouver (rainy and expensive housing)
Visit Montreal before making any decisions
i told my husband last week that i didn't plan on going to chats or forums.
we've been trying very hard to stay on neutral ground.
we began by just researching all the history of jws and turning to the publications published by the society, to either back the history we were reading, or to dispel it.
Great to hear from you Scaredyetresolved
make no mistake da = df (read C of C)
I would have preferred to da but the Wt policy makes fading necessary
This is how we faded:
My wife stopped pioneering. My wife stopped going in service. I stopped pioneering. My wife stopped going to the b.s. I stepped down as an elder, saying I was uncomfortable giving talks and counsel with my wife doing spiritually poorly. I slowed to 1 hr./month. I stopped going to the book study. I stopped going in service. We started attending only Sunday. We started missing some Sundays. We stopped going Sundays. During all this time we werent bothered too much. The C.O called a few times, I told him it wasnt convenient to visit. He dropped in once. My wife was home. She let him in. That was a big mistake. Some day I will post the letter she wrote him and the e.b. afterwards. Since then he phoned again to meet with me. I told him no thanks! I had to go out for a walk (exercise ha-ha).
We played the hypocrites with the family (who didnt know the situation) until the C.O. blabbed, but it was just as well. The hypocrite thing was difficult. When it came down to a family discussion we just said we thought everyone present was pretty qualified to understand the Bible, maybe even as well as the G.B. and talked a little about 75, the king of the north and south, how it is possible to even think one could explain Rev. and Ezek etc. verse-by-verse when one has difficulty understanding a prophecy of Jesus (generation). Some time later when the family made some comments about some new point, we just said we dont know anything about it, we dont go anymore.
Were probably looked on as having been disillusioned by 1975 and fallen to materialism. We dont care because so far the elders havent bothered to revisit and the family still talks to us.
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at the age of 53 i graduated from arizona state university with a bachelor's in spanish.
when everyone stood for the national athem i felt a little guilty at first, but i soon got over it!
Way to go Chris!!!!!
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alright it has only taken me 25 years but i have worked out how they get you to believe.. in all the publications they always present both sides of the story in a logical and often scientific way.
this makes you feel that you don't have to research further because you already know the other side.. the truth is they don't have the truth.
They spew the rhetoric that reassures the reader that both sides of any question are being completely examined and weighed. Then they make sure to keep everyone busy enough studying ha!, and re-studying ha-ha!!, and underlining ha-ha-ha!!!, this holy crap to completely extinguish any further interest in research .
ok here is my deal.... for those of you who don't know already i have never been df'd or da'd.
i just quit going, and was never baptized.
(that will become relevant later).
I think some JW feel, when you leave you leave J, but they also feel some rejection on the personal level. Ive talked to some JWs who have ignored me and after breaking the ice they are quite nice and seem relieved that I still want to talk to them. After the initial reintroduction they continue being friendly (hoping Ill go back? could be the reason). I cant say if you friend will fall into this category so if you go prepare yourself to be hurt. I still go to JW get togethers on occasion and some do totally ignore me, but I believe my presence reminds them Im still around and may get them thinking (duh). I definitely recommend the card and gift idea. Make the decision you will be comfortable with.
oto lutar, former jw, recently sent this letter to our branch office in slovenia:.
dear sirs.
2001 when i was disfellowshiped.
Unless the case is very complicated there probably wasnt much correspondence and anyway you can be sure now that everything has been destroyed or filed away where you would never be able to get it. IMO the few papers they might? have wouldnt be worth the trouble of retrieving. They do not keep much paper work on anyone. They dont need any. They do whatever they want without it.
it's taken me a while to overcome my intense bitterness - but i'm finally mending.. -- and that makes it easier to 'fly under the radar' when meeting witnesses!.
i bumped into a young witness mother at a mall.
i flattered her and told her about.
We've chiseled away too and managed to get our best friends out. The husband, who resisted most, has finally been checked off in my book of outs. Now were working on another couple. They invite us, or accept an invitation to go out, in hopes of getting us to go back, but we pack our chisels and work away. We had another couple in the works but I think the husband (elder) discovered some cracks developing and has suspending our chiseling for now.
To the chiselers!!!!!
i was raised jw, so i have nothing to go back to as far as belief.
the wt has been exposed to me as nothing but a bunch of lies, coverups, failed predictions, interpreting the bible to fit their teachings etc.
now i stand here,,,,,,,,,,,, with no belief system at all.
We feel like you do. We debate these questions often, my wife and I and some friends. What we seem to agree on is we were had. Lately we have come to accept that we allowed ourselves to be had as one person repeats constantly -we were the dummies. Right now were talking about why this happened
i remember just a few short years back at my old congregation, there were a few younger brothers and sisters joining gyms and going to work out.
well, i guess the elders found out that everyone's free time wasn't being spent pioneering, so a talk (down to) was given one sunday on "not letting worldy pursuits take your eyes off the prize" or some shit like that.
the whole talk was about how we should devote all time to the wts and field service, and that going to or belong to a gym was just a worldly pursuit and that it was just making or bodies "showy".
Around here it was okay for brothers to work out - then a group of sisters decided to go - that got the elders going and they banned it saying the sisters would end up running off with the hunks at the gym. Apparently woman only use gyms to cruise.
kavanagh q.c.
: bearing witness
(drama) religious beliefs cause parents to refuse medical help for their ailing son.
Kavanagh Q.C. : Bearing Witness (Drama) Religious beliefs cause parents to refuse medical help for their ailing son.
Jw's on PBS
