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  Elder at my door last night

  by JH in

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  i was taking a bath, when the door bell rang.

  i got out of the bath tub and went close to the window, and saw an elder go back to his car.

  the last visit i had was a few days before christmas, from the co and his wife, while visiting our congregation.

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  Years ago I helped an elder renovate his basement so he could rent it out. We worked pretty steady for over 2 months, every spare minute we had. Some time later I had to move and asked the same elder if he could give me a hand that Sat. A.M. His response was to tell me he had to take the group. The funny thing was when we were working on his basement he missed pretty well every Sat. in service.

  This isn't the reason I left but it sure hurt.

  I noticed over time that this attitude shows up often. I guess Jesus saw it too when he talked about corban and everyone begging off. Maybe it's human nature but it sure isn't any better in the J-dubs.
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  Desire to talk to an elder

  by Eppie in

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  hey everyone,.

  i have a question: i am happily faded but i recently got the desire to talk to an elder of my old congregation.

  the problem is that he doesn't know i am faded (i kinda disappeared from jw archives while moving to college), and that i do not want to get into trouble by this.

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  In my experience a lot of elders can't keep their mouth shut. They have to share what they know about you. This sharing varies from the wife, other elders, the C.O. to anyone who's interested; depending on the elder you confide in. As others have said here also, keep in mind that even a good friendly elder will turn on a dime to df you if he see fit. I think you should see a therapist if you really feel the need to work out feelings. If it's religious questions bothering you, go see some religious counsellor. You'll probably find yourself more at ease to talk to someone you don't know anyway.

  Above all keep up the research... and I believe you'll eventually feel no further need to talk to a J-dub elder.
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  Kingdom Hall Alarm codes.

  by JEMIMAH in

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  just back from renovating my holiday home in the south west of france.

  beats yorkshire anyday.... anyway thought i would share this little account with you.. as most are of you are aware, the alarm code for about 90% of kingdom halls is 1914 (nineteen fourteen).. i t seems though that for the last 8 or 9 quick builds or refurbs in the uk, the brother who installed the numbers into the alarm control panel used the numbers 1975 and explained the number as one nine seven five not the the easier version (ninteen seventy five).. trivial joke or honest mistake, either way this poor brother has been rumbled and has to to meet with 2 elders investigating on behalf of a body of elders to see whether an apostasy charge will be brought.. he is supposed to be meeting with them over the next few days.. .

  a very sad jem, who is sick of the whole elder abuse game.

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  Ours was 2414 - In fact I believe our whole circuit used that code. It goes without saying that our C.O. and elders were the whipping you to get out in service, quit your job and pioneer kind.
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  I am shocked, disgusted and I feel violated

  by berylblue in

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  i have spent the last few days reading all the information about the wts on the internet.

  i am shocked.

  appalled.

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  Welcome - it's like finding out your partner's cheating on you - reality hits hard - now you understand why the WT hates the internet!
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  Feel Like Cryin'

  by mackey in

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  well, my best friend sarah, the love of my life, has deemed me a bad association.

  just when i thought i could get her out those bastards sucked her right back in.

  i know by starting this thread i'm beggin' for a flaming, but this is very serious and need some support and this is the only place that i can get it.

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  Maybe you should give it some time. And then be real gentle. Don't make her feel you're pushing her. Don't even mention the WT again. If you ever get together again be a good friend. Show her a good time. Get her interested in things other than religion. If she feels you trying to influence her away from Jehovah you've had my friend.
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  NBC - ST. LOUIS DISCUSSES JW CHILD ABUSE

  by hawkaw in

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  st. louis nbc is the largest affilate with nbc - if you are paying attention you will notice that this is the tv station's cover story!!!!!

  sexual abuse & the jehovah's witness faith .

  2/13/2003 10:51:24 pm .

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  I seem to recall that the WT said, as a defence, that they, like pretty well everyone else, weren't aware of the pedophile problem 20 years ago. And now they go and admit they've been collecting data for 20 years and doing nothing about it. WOW!

  "a list of many persons who could be harmful... to our congregation." Could all dfing data be compiled in this dbase? After reading the story of Ray's tape destruction in C. of C. I'd bet on it.
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  Just finished my DA letter

  by pr_capone in

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  well.... after talking alot about doing it but never actually doing it, i have decided to go ahead and write up my da letter.

  dear mr. grier:.

  my name is eremic granell, you know me as eric rowe.

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  Great letter! Your view is well explained with just enough detail. I like your closiing instructions. I'm keeping it for future reference. I hope to formally get out of Babylon too one day soon.
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  Preparing for attack

  by Sadie5 in

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  last night on local news,(tulsa,ok) they warned of a terror attack before the end of the week.

  urged us to stock up on bottled water and foods.

  have sheets of plastic on hand to cover vents in case of a dirty bomb.. anyone else hearing any warnings?.

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  The government doesn't want to get accused of having not sufficiently warned everyone before the next attack. I think if you live or die will depend where you are at that time. I see plastic and duct tape as good to soothe those worried and useful to drum up support for a war, but as protection? I doubt it. The guys who deal with these products do so in a controlled environment and are suited up specially when they have to handle them. If soldiers have to face an attack on the battle field are they even well enough equipped to protect their lives? Even if plastic and duct tape did give some protection, eventually oxygen would get depleted, food would run out, and you would have to emerge to face the bleak situation.

  This reminds me of the nuke attack scares years ago. Even if you managed to survive in a shelter, what would you come out to eventually? If there is a chemical or biological attack, pray you are very far away, or very very close.

  Take Rudy Giuliani's advice: Get on with your normal life.

  Edited by - wheelwithinwheel on 12 February 2003 13:0:50
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  Can't shake the feeling the end is near, help me

  by m0nk3y in

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  i hate this feeling .. i try and reason with myself thats its the life long programming that i have been through .. but the world events atm are really getting me nervous ... please people help me get past this :/edited by - m0nk3y on 12 february 2003 1:34:50.

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  Astronomers now believe the universe is 13.7 billion years old (If I heard right). So even if the WT and a lot of other people believe the end is around the corner, the chances that God has planned to intervene in your lifetime (less than 100 years) are practically non-existent. However, keep in mind that crazy humans could do something stupid.... but in that case we'll all be toast.
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  Kids! the things they come out with..!

  by Sparks in

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  after an elderly elder gave a l o n g ass clenchingly boring public talk about the flood in noah`s day, .

  a little boy went up to him at the end of the meeting and asked "uncle ted, was you in the ark?".

  the crusty old.

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  wheelwithinwheel

  Got this first hand from a horrified JW mom.

  This JW mother had her young daughter with her in a store's fitting room after service. The little girl asked very loudly, "Mom is that lady a JW." The mom quietly replied, "No dear" The little girl then added in a very loud voice, "Then she's gonna get destroyed at Armaggedon huh, mummy"

  Needless to say the mother didn't answer, but put her hand over her kid's mouth and stood quietly until the lady in the next stall left.

  Talk about 'training up a child.'