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  Do you want the real truth or not?

  by Jason in

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  on this website there seems to be so many lies and so little actual truth.

  is this supposed to be a place to get answers or confuse the hell out of truth seekers?

  well, for you seekers out there, if you find the truth on this site it'll be a major fluke.

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  jason

  But I do know that they don't all know the truth.

  
  i am one of these and i'm not alone, i think

  Thanks for the info. so even someone like budda who was not trying to be a false god can be made a false god by others. i think in this case it might not be held against the man who lived that life, not like a demon who trys to be a god, or a king of men like a ceasar who tells all he is a god.

  i'm sure you know Jesus is "a god" john 1.

  so there are two true gods.

  see that is the thing, when the NWT tells us in plaine language that jesus is a true leser god why does the WTB&T say that there is only one true god? should thay not say there is one true high god and one true lesser god? saying there is only one, thay are saying the son is not a true god and the bible tells us there is no way to jehovah but through the son to whom all things have been given (including us all). how do you think Jesus would like us calling him a false god? well i don't know what to make of it.

  well any way thanks for letting me know. i hope to read more of your thoughts.

  the ideas and opinions expressed in this post do not necessiarly represent those of the WTB&TS inc. or any of it's subsidiary corporations.
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  Do you want the real truth or not?

  by Jason in

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  on this website there seems to be so many lies and so little actual truth.

  is this supposed to be a place to get answers or confuse the hell out of truth seekers?

  well, for you seekers out there, if you find the truth on this site it'll be a major fluke.

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  willy_think

  belive people who say "i seek the truth"

  doubt people who say

  I have truth.

  
  qouote from jason

  here is one i have wondered about for a long time.

  Jason how many true gods are there?

  is a false god a real god or an imaginary god, not a god, a delusion in the mind of men, a fairy tale?

  or is a false god a real god or someone else's true god, another real god who is not Jehovah, a different god?

  do false gods exist as living beings?

  this is a real question i have. i don't think i understand just what a false god is acording to the WT. if jason doesn't know or will not tell me will amyone who knows tell me plese?

  the ideas and opinions expressed in this post do not necessiarly represent those of the WTB&TS inc. or any of it's subsidiary corporations.
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  What does the WTBTS have to gain?

  by aud8 in

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  i have a question:.

  if the wtbts is so into deceiving everyone and trying to reel in as many newcomers as possible, what does it actually have to gain from this?

  why are they always trying to switch teachings to make themselves look "believable"?

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  I have a question:

  If the WTBTS is so into deceiving everyone and trying to reel in as many newcomers as possible, what does it actually have to gain from this? Why are they there at all? Why are they always trying to switch teachings to make themselves look "believable"? WHY?

  in the US a corporation IS an independent entity. it is NOT the men who run it.

  what does it actually have to gain from this?

  a corporate intity needs the same thing all entitys need to grow and keep alive at all casts

  Why are they there at all?

  if you are asking about the men. thay are there because thay have allways ben there and have nowere to go, so thay stay in the good life with the good "gifts" in plain envelopes.

  if you are asking about the corporation thay are there becuse thay were there. thay are there becuse russle ran another con the "long con" and it is running on and on.

  Why are they always trying to switch teachings to make themselves look "believable"? WHY

  this was answred in the frist...to keep alive...to grow...

  who do you think thay are trying to look "believable" to?
  not those who believe, but there target group "catholics".

  did it never seem odd to you thay out of one side of there moulth thay say catholics are "satans church" and out of the other side thay say how JWs need hide there true "truth" to look good to "satans church"

  is it not odd that all this "new light" makes the WTB&TS inc. more and more like the catholics.

  the ideas and opinions expressed in this post do not necessiarly represent those of the WTB&TS inc. or any of it's subsidiary corporations.
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  Re: When God Rested

  by ladonna in

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  we were taught in the wtbts as the bible clearly states that god created the heavens and the earth and on the seventh day he rested.. has it occurred to anyone else that god got up to a lot of wars ect whilst he was supposedly sleeping?????.

  not only the wars but the actual writing of the bible which was pounded into us as being inspired by god.. if only i could do as much in my sleep.. ana....

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  The whole concept about the biblical creation has always brought up questions for me. It starts out using the phrase "In the beginning". I'm wondering the beginning if what? A beginning has to be established at a point. It has to have something before it and after it. I would like to know what was before "the beginning".

  i don't know what the WT said about "the beginning" but i asked my mother about the catholics and thay say that, "the beginning" in which creation exists is the lord god Jesus for he is the "alpha and the omega" he is the "word of god" he is "logos" he is the "way" he is "i am". in short the beginning is not when, but who.

  A beginning has to be established at a point. It has to have something before it

  true, befor creation ther was something. in that point with creation time space matter came to be. befor time space matter there was
  "the beginning and the end"

  the ideas and opinions expressed in this post do not necessiarly represent those of the WTB&TS inc. or any of it's subsidiary corporations.
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  GOOD NEWS / BAD NEWS

  by You Know in

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  good news/bad news.

  first, the good news: the good news, at least as far as the watchtower's multitudinous enemies are concerned, is that the watchtower's days are definitely numbered.

  the bad news, as far as apostates should be concerned, is that the days for this present system, as we know it, are also of equally short duration.

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  willy_think

  you know,

  is the sky falling?

  is the sky falling with the market?

  is the sky held up by the market that it might fall with it?

  "repent the market is crashing!" this is a new call if i ever herd one.

  the ideas and opinions expressed in this post do not necessiarly represent those of the WTB&TS inc. or any of it's subsidiary corporations.
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  Re: When God Rested

  by ladonna in

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  we were taught in the wtbts as the bible clearly states that god created the heavens and the earth and on the seventh day he rested.. has it occurred to anyone else that god got up to a lot of wars ect whilst he was supposedly sleeping?????.

  not only the wars but the actual writing of the bible which was pounded into us as being inspired by god.. if only i could do as much in my sleep.. ana....

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  I do not wish to get too technical here regarding brain wave patterns.....I believe that others here will understand what I am saying.....but if we are made in God's image....our rest would be the same as his.

  we are not coppys of god

  ya, if god was a man but he is not. your lost in the "image" and "rest", "sleeping?????"

  the ideas and opinions expressed in this post do not necessiarly represent those of the WTB&TS inc. or any of it's subsidiary corporations.
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  Who controls the WTS?

  by Defender in

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  many exjws, inactive or those still in but see the many problems that are associated with the org keep asking when will the society change.

  they keep wondering whether the gb is aware of the problems and if it is, why does it not do anything.

  certain gb members might even comment privately about some misgivings they may have toward certain policies or doctrine, yet fail to act.. i believe there are a number of reasons, but the main ones are gb internal dynamics and external influence.. concerning gb internal dynamics, it has been known that in a tight knit authoritarian system, whether it be a dictatorship, committee based, or even sometimes democratic, the one that suggests a major change does so at his own peril.

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  well done defender,

  i think you may have missed one or two things. one External influence, the most driving one is money. thay have gone after it at all costs to the R&F.

  it is an influence that comes from above. So far, the Society has not been able to provide any tangible proof for this, a proof that Moses was handily able to provide to the Israelites in Egypt

  Moses, the red sea was tangible

  Peer or lateral pressure is another type of external pressure. This type of pressure is generated by other religious organizations or ex-members. This influence is the least effective, as the more it is exerted, the more barricaded and entrenched the Society becomes.

  the WT does not care how JWs look to the world (Catholcs)?

  "ex-members", with there internet, have made it a death sentence for JWs to go on the www!! but you don't see this as influence?

  people are waking up to the WTB&TS in vast numbers becuse of the "ex members" but this is "the least effective" influence?

  Last type of external influence, and I believe is the most potent, and that is pressure from BELOW. That is influence from the followers and readers themselves.

  this is the least potent type. if the WT said it is red is black who would say it is not?

  look at this
  

  Certain GB members might even comment privately about some misgivings they may have toward certain policies or doctrine, yet fail to act

  , the one that suggests a major change does so at his own peril

  what peril would a GB member face that R&F JW's would not?

  We have all read, at least some of us have, the letters from readers page at the back of the Awake. These letters alongside the monthly and annual statistics is what drives the GB. They are their reason for being. They are the crux by which the Society plods along. In GB minds, these letters and experiences are tantamount to evidence of divine direction.

  do you think that thay are real letters from R&F JW's? well maby some maby

  alongside the monthly and annual statistics

  here is your other "most potent" influence given one small line but given = value to the "primarily control" of the followers

  "the one that suggests a major change does so at his own peril"

  what is the peril to the one that makes the money and never said a thing?

  this is the controling dynamic, there is no other

  the ideas and opinions expressed in this post do not necessiarly represent those of the WTB&TS inc. or any of it's subsidiary corporations.
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  Scales of Justice

  by individual in

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  this being my first proper post i wanted to raise a question that i asked of an elder.

  the only response i received was that i was questioning god.

  when i pressed further i was accused of being an apostate.

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  willy_think

  at last i read truth

  Seriously, I cant answer this question, because there can't be an answer.

  the ideas and opinions expressed in this post do not necessiarly represent those of the WTB&TS inc. or any of it's subsidiary corporations.
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  A CRUCIFIX

  by ruffian in

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  they must have felt very uncomfortable in my house what with all my graven images and wooden crucifix.

  this is the story they presented to me- .

  "suppose you had a beloved son.

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  ruffian

  Suppose you had a beloved son. That son was an advocate for a political cause and because of this he was popular but hated by the government and some people. So he was unjustly accused of a crime and sentanced to death. His followers were furious and to remember him they hung photos of him in the electric chair and wore necklaces of an image of him in the electric chair. How would this make you feel?"

  this is not what happend to god.
  
  

  His followers were furious

  
  who? noone.

  in an electric chair a man dies on the cross all men live.
  in there quote the son is a falure jesus was not

  Suppose you had a beloved son. That son was an advocate for a political cause and because of this he was popular but hated by the government and some people. So he ran a race to see if his cause would be adopted. he won the race and so made the "political" people free His followers were joyfull and to remember him they hung photos of him at the finish line and wore necklaces of an image of him crossing the line. How would this make you feel?"

  when the lam is given up on the alter why hate the alter?

  jesus on the cross is the tree of life and the JWs will not eat.
  Gen 3.22

  sorry for the spelling

  the ideas and opinions expressed in this post do not necessiarly represent those of the WTB&TS inc. or any of it's subsidiary corporations.
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  how should we see the WTB&TS inc.

  by willy_think in

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  i think brother rex b13 said it best when he said.. niv romans 3:10-18.

  10 as it is written: "there is no one righteous, not even one; .

  11 there is no one who understands, no one who seeks god.

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  i think brother Rex B13 said it best when he said.

  NIV Romans 3:10-18
  10 As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;
  11 there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God.
  12 All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one."
  13 "Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit." "The poison of vipers is on their lips."
  14 "Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness."
  15 "Their feet are swift to shed blood;
  16 ruin and misery mark their ways,
  17 and the way of peace they do not know."
  18 "There is no fear of God before their eyes."

  NIV Romans 1:28-32

  28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
  29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
  30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
  31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
  32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

  i would like to thank RexB13 for providing this "light"

  the ideas and opinions expressed in this post do not necessiarly represent those of the WTB&TS inc. or any of it's subsidiary corporations.