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Are You Moving Ahead With Jehovahs Organization? Study WT May 2014
by KateWild in
1. watchtower
2. bible
obedience is key in the paragraph below and the urgency is also emphasised with an exclaimation mark.. .

10 the earthly part of gods organization is moving ahead in many ways.

it helps us understand bible truth more and more clearly.
wokeup

Simplified Edition:

and the winner is...

Organization- 22 Jesus- 3
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I want to grow my hair back out!
by onlyastory in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
a few months prior to baptism i had shoulder length hair which i loved and had wanted ever since i was a child.

i remember sitting with an elder during a bible study and asking him point blank if i 'had' to cut my hair.

whilst the answer was given slightly awkwardly the answer was a no, "there are no rules that say you have to cut your hair".
wokeup

'' what joys await me if I want to grow my hair back out? "

When you trimmed your hair, they percieved it as submission their groupthink or social norm.

If you choose to grow your hair back out to pre-baptism length, it will be percieved as a lack

of sincerity/weakness/worldliness or rebellion. It will trigger judgementally/gossip/marking. These fine

christian qualities should move you to repentance and re-submit to their self importance.
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We shall dress with modesty (1Tim2:9), why dress like rich lawyers or wealthy financiers?
by Mr Fool in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
in my point of view, modest clothing is simple and humble.

so why are jw-men dressed like they own a big company or are challangers to the president post?

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wokeup

I'm sure Jesus' disciples wore normal clothes for their time period. He never instructed them to wear their

best clothes or try to impress anybody. The only nice thing Jesus wore was his undies. I'm sure not too many

were privledged to see it either. looking at the watchtower's illustrated pictures of 1st century gatherings

you'd think they were well off.
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Question about the "you can live forever in paradise on earth" book
by joe134cd in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
i'm just making a query into the red coloured book that had peoples faces stamped into the hard front cover.

the "you can live forever in paradise on earth" book.

this is so long ago so please forgive me if i get few things wrong.
wokeup

Out of all the questionable illustrated images, the most blatant (to me) was in the Greatest Man Book.

Chapter 91 'When Lazarus was resurrected' : Top of the rock mass has a woman laying on her left side. Jesus' extended

hand appears to be touching her crotch. Just below his hand the letters SEX appears vertically in the rock. This is not made up!
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They are Definitely Attacking "Higher Education"
by XBEHERE in
1. jw
2. friends
a friend of mine recently had his co visit and in the elders meeting the co out-right asked the question: how are the friends doing in your cong.

as regards pursuing higher education?

the co continued...you know in view of all the counsel from the slave regarding the dangers.
wokeup

College teaches critical thinking skills. That is impowerment. the Watchtower fears that. Once a person

learns things such as logical fallacies, the tower begins to crumbles. Empowerment increases when an individual

learns about pursuasive techniques beyond the overt and delves into the subliminal. Empowerment

increases when one begins to see the Watchtower's use of quoting it's own works. Intellectual dishonesty

in quote mining, the absence of proper references, anonymous quotes, ambiguous references. And even

worse, using monological discursive techniques both in print and the platform.

The organizational structure and social construct carefully orchestrated at the local level does not permit

a venue for frank, open discussion of thoughts, ideas, questions or criticism by active members during any meetings.

It is college that allows for growth and understanding about concepts, precepts and life in general.

To help prepare individuals for life. It's not just about having 'all' the answers for life's questions, as the Watchtower

tries to instill, it's about questioning the answers to life's questions as well.
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What are the buzz words or trigger for JWs?
by UBM101 in
1. jw
2. experiences
i read steve hassan's book and he mentioned about buzz words or triggers that call out the cult personality of a victim of mind controlling cult.

when you were in, what triggered you?.
wokeup

He/She left Jehovah. If that ain't a loaded statement.
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"Growing to perfection"
by DS211 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
ok i know ive been starting threads like a maniac but heres one.

where in the heck d they get the "when we survive armageddon we will probably have to start rebuilding while we resurrect ones, teach them, plant food, clean the planet, and grow to perfection"????

doesnt the scripture say that we die corrupted but raised an incorruptible body?
wokeup

Here's a thought. Would it be righteous on Gods' part to resurrect people imperfect so they could grow to perfection? In effect,

instilling Adamic sin into their new bodies? On the other hand, can you picture a post apocalyptic world where imperfect 21st century survivors

are in charge initially of perfect asexual resurectees who's ancient knowledge and lifestyles are presumably restored into their

memory banks? Perhaps useful in a machineless primitive paradise earth? Is this God's plan of salvation?
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Not Forsaking Christian Gatherings
by StephaneLaliberte in
1. watchtower
2. bible
at the meeting this week, there was a part about placing our trust in jehovah and not worrying about food and shelter (mat 6:33).

the part was based on the 2013 yearbook p138 and 139 where there were two examples:.

a family went to their convention leaving their chickens unattended for a number of days, worried about if they would survive.
wokeup

Fernando, Witnesses are just following Jesus' command to build religious edifices and dedicate them to their diety.

Also, he commanded his followers to wear their finest garments at those buildings in imitation of Jesus' example of humility.

And last, when Jesus sent them out in pairs, he instructed them to also wear fine garments and carry scrolls and read them

so as not to draw attention to themseves. Witnesses always strive to follow the first century examples set before us.
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I thought baptism was a dedication to God
by irondork in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
according to this description, unless the elders determine that you really want to be a member of the watchtower corporation, then you are not worthy of dedicating your life to god.. .

w98 3/13 dedication and freedom of choice p.17 par.18.

before a person can qualify to become one of jehovahs witnesses, he must meet scriptural qualifications.
wokeup

There are no scriptures in the NT that state 'dedication' is a pre-requisite for Christian baptism.
Nor 'living up' to that 'dedication' is God's plan of salvation;
Sounds good, feels good but deflects from what Christ did for humankind.
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So what IS wrong with higher Education?
by LoisLane looking for Superman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
are the governing body, 8 pope-ettes, just jealous?.

what group of people doesn't want their finest minds to be educated?

(facepalm) .
wokeup

Lois you have a pm.