Posts by wokeup

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Proof that WT literature is not needed...

by The Last Nephilim in

i have recently come to fully appreciate what is stated at 2timothy 3:16, 17 (nwt).

it clearly declares that nothing is needed outside of the bible in order for a person be be "fully competent" and "completely equipped" for "every good work".

how can anyone, especially the wts, claim that the bible alone is not enough after reading these scriptures?

wokeup

The WTBS has always functioned on the assumption that God's Word and Spirit are somehow inadequate and must be augmented with their spin using perhaps, most likely, undoubtly,surely, possibly in explaining bible events.

I have always felt the Bible (2 Tim 3:16,17) which fully equips and the Spirit (John 16:13) which is said to lead us into all truth are also undermined by stating conjecture (revealed truths) as factual especially when making blanket statements, unverifiable such as Jesus 1914 arrival and their 1918 'appointment' as 2 examples.

The leaders bear a heavier judgment in their self assumptions and demanding strict adherence and loyality at all costs for the appearance of an all knowing entity basking in 'divine favor' in a 'spiritual paradise'. This illusion has and continues quite addictive to many.

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Question about the memorial

by Amyfa in

as i am not a jw and never going to be one or study with one, can someone tell me what scripture they use to make everyone reject jesus.

it just feels to me like something satanic worshippers would do, not something christians would do.

it just seems so wrong to me

wokeup

For years the society applied this passage to those that claim to be going to heaven. Then in the 1986 Watchtower 2/15 pg. 30-31 Conseqently 'added research' revealed that Jesus spoke those words a year before the last supper.

'Logically', none hearing those words had any idea about an 'annual' celebration or literal symbols introduced at the passover a year later.

Thus it would have a broader application and include the 'great crowd' in a symbolic way but in a different symbolic way in reference to the last supper.

Make sense?

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Is grace enough?

by Kphoto in

hi again, debating again with my favorite jw and the issue of grace became a firestorm.

my contention is that epesians 2:8-9 says it all but i get the arguement that "that's too easy" and shouldn't i have to do something.

my point is if i earn it it's not grace.

wokeup

And here I thought the plan of salvation was to dedicate oneself to Jehovah(insert scripture) as a pre-requisite to baptism(Acts 2:38), 'symbolize it' by water baptism and spend the rest of your life trying to 'live up' to that dedication.(following orders)

That way,by guilt or association (grabbing a skirt) we might be his 'friend'. All because we were told we didn't have Christ's spirit, can't be his brother nor a child of God because we were born too late.

It's all spelled out clearly in the bible.

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All hail the "organisation"

by jefferywhat in

this is just a rant from me today, something that i have noticed all my life, but now as an adult bugs me more.

the org has become a quasi god, it has its own "approval" which was cemented in 1918 and as a jw you cant question it at any level, you can question individuals( casue they are imperfect) but the org is perfect, it is theocratic therefore ruled direct by jesus, any mistakes are our fault.

the "society" is beyond reproach in the eyes of so many.

wokeup

I agree with J.O. the ritualistic atmosphere where pre-selected answers to pre-selected questions cultivate the mindset that whatever is spoken from the stage

is revered as sacred. I can't picture the apostles thanking God in their prayers for the 'provisions' from the 'slave'. I've even heard governing body members on stage

refer to the FS as if they weren't even part of it. Talk about strange. I can't visualize Jesus saying to himself " I'll create a billion dollar publishing corporation for

people to join and put their trust in for salvation". The arrangement to me seems so far removed from the first century example found in the NT.

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Could U Please Cite Some Personal Interesting Observations About The Truth?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for anyone that looks at this thread, could you write something either profound or simply interesting so as to make the reader see the truth about "the truth"?

?

wokeup

Armaggedon is just around the corner, you will walk right into the new system of things, you will not have to taste death, if you obey us.

Gen.3:4 sounds familiar?

Here's one, if the salvation of humankind is dependant upon 'doing good' to Christs brothers' aka the FDS, then the 6 billion people on earth are doomed

since most couldn't name one or even meet one. The blood of Christ is nullified,heaven forbid.

Isaiah 43:10, the banner scripture for the Society, applied to a rebellious nation of a defunct religion rejected by God. And the modern day application?

Allen

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January 20, 1985 SUPER BOWL The Day Montana became Almighty God

by Tired of the Hypocrisy in

i was living up in federal way, wa back then.

i remember that sunday afternoon meeting was memorable.

not because the material was interesting, or even poignant.

wokeup

I remember that game well, a former classmate of mine ,Carl Monroe scored the first touchdown for the 49er's. I was about a mile from Standford University and could hear the crowds cheer while watching the game on tv.

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Is Active Disbelief a New Development?

by metatron in

jw
friends

in decades past, i can't ever recall anyone who 'left the truth' , who openly believed it was false.. i knew lots of people who drifted away but none who actively proclaimed that what the organization.

taught was false.

usually, you would bump into them and they would say , "i know its the truth but.

wokeup

Active disbelief? that was my M.I.L. about 30 years ago. She joined a group out in the San Francisco area called. "Christian Prophets of Jehovah". Megaphones

at the conventions, disrupting bookstudy conductors. Quite a stir back then.

From my observation at the local hall, I have not observed any open display of disbelief. What I have observed over the years is the loss of all the young people. Every teenager from the 90's had faded, or got disfellowshiped minus one, an elders son.

The mike rovers consist of 60- 70 year old elders. More subtle yet blatantly observable is that there are 8 former pioneers,elders and ministerial servants that attend but no longer comment or go out in service. It is a strange sight to see 40 and 50 something year old former elders and ministerial servants sit and watch the old guys not only roving but answering most of the questions. There have been no teenagers at the hall for about ten years. 4 couples w/children now.

It has gotten so bad that they recently recruited two pioneer couples in their early 30's to 'assist' the congregation. They have also been recruiting speakers from over 100 miles away and other states to fill in the talk schedule the past 6 months.

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Christrians: Why are JWs so aganist being born aganin/Salvation?

by A-Team in

in the past 3 weeks, i have had 2 jws deny salvation or say that only the 144k have to be born again and 1 even going as far as asking "what do i need to be saved from?

" but yet, there are several bible scriptures that says otherwise.

please discuss.

wokeup

For decades the Watchtower message has been this: The kingdom of the heavens is closed. You do not belong to Christ, cannot be baptised into Christ, have his spirit nor his mediatorship.

One must cast aside any notion that the NT writings directly apply to you. God's word and spirit are not sufficient to guide and direct christians. Their impotence are manifested by the stressed allegiance and obedience to the 'sole channel' between god and men. Right or wrong, loyalty at all costs.

The NT message of redemption and grace has been so adulterated that it takes mental gymnatics for a witness to explain even the simplicity of Eph.4:4-6. Or re-defining the word 'All' at Matt: 28:18 with the 1914 doctrine to deflect Christs' authority in a christians' life.

Adding the 'dedication vow' as a pre-requisite to baptism despite it's stark absence from the accounts found in the book of Acts has created 6 million people trying to 'live up' to a vow rather than for the one who purchased them.( 2 Cor.5:15).

Allen

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What Was your Favorite Music Concert you attended, group or solo artist?

by flipper in

jw
friends

hello ya'll.

mr. flipper here.

my wonderful son who as you know i always brag about.

wokeup

My most memorable free concert was seeing a group perform at the Golden Gate Park. The group was called 'It's a Beautiful Day' they performed their hit "White Bird' It was a touching song with a beautiful violin lead. That was decades ago.

My first indoor Concert was at the Oakland Coleseum. Saw the Isley Brothers. An upcoming group called Graham Central Station was the opening act that night.

The most entertaining I thought was seeing Tina Turner perform at the Circle Star Theater along with B.B King and Bobby Blue Bland. The theater had a revolving stage which provided an unusual visual experience. That was in the late 70's.

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2007 DRAMA ON YouTube!!!!

by whereami in

jw
friends

it's all about power!!!!

all 9 parts are there.

enjoy, and don't forget to let us know what you think.

wokeup

I just saw the youtube video.I thought the fictitious 'friend' of Timothy in last years' drama was bad enough, denigrating secular education.

The fictitious dialog, the over exagerations. Going beyond the things written is an understatement.

For the sole purpose to create a 'lesson' for the rank & file. Gehazis' lament about serving Elisha for 10 years

without pay surely showed what an ingrate he was. Surely no modern day parallel exists for the 'other sheep'?