Posts by Wolfy

starting on page 316 it talks about organizational progress and makes use of isaiah 60:17 "instead of the copper i shall bring in gold, and instead of the iron i shall bring in silver, and instead of the wood, copper, and instead of the stones, iron: and i will appoint peace as your overseers and righteousness as your task assigners".

in the explanation it is said that replacing copper with gold is an improvement as are the other material mentioned.in harmony with this jehovah's people have been experiencing improved organizational arrangements throughout the last days.. what a load of ##@@@@...talks about the way elders and deacons were appointed and how it was improved and changed down through the years.. then it makes mention of changes at the gb level and gives this example---"an example of the latter was seen on october 7,2000, when it was announced that members of the gb who were serving as directors of the wts and affiliated corps had voluntarily stepped aside.

Wolfy

Well...I was skimming throught the new Isaiah book released at the DC.
Read the chapter entitled "True Worship Expands Worldwide". Starting on page 316 it talks about Organizational Progress and makes use of Isaiah 60:17 "Instead of the copper I shall bring in gold, and instead of the iron I shall bring in silver, and instead of the wood, copper, and instead of the stones, iron: and I will appoint peace as your overseers and righteousness as your task assigners"

In the explanation it is said that replacing copper with gold is an improvement as are the other material mentioned.In harmony with this Jehovah's people have been experiencing improved organizational arrangements throughout the last days.

What a load of ##@@@@...Talks about the way elders and deacons were appointed and how it was improved and changed down through the years.
THEN it makes mention of changes at the GB level and gives this example---"An example of the latter was seen on October 7,2000, when it was announced that members of the GB who were serving as directors of the WTS and affiliated corps had voluntarily stepped aside. In this way the GB representing the FDS, is able to give more attention to caring for the spiritual oversight of the cong of God and its associates the other sheep. All such arrangments have been improvements. They have stregthened Jehovah's org and blessed his worshippers."
Whos has been behind these improvements? Are they due to the organizational ability or the ingenious thinking of some humans? No, for Jehovah stated:"I shall bring in gold". All this progress is the result of DIVINE GUIDANCE. As Jehovah's people submit to his guidance and make adjustments, they reap benefits. Peace prevails among them, and the love of righteousness impels them to serve him".

What a crock. When I read this I was shaking my head in digust. They don't tell the REAL reasons for this supposed progress. They chalk it up to DIVINE GUIDANCE and expect everyone to to go along with it. It makes me sick. I wish people would used their heads instead of blindly following along with whatever the GB says.

Anyways..I guess this struck a sore point with me. Anyone else have any thoughts on this matter?

Regards

Wolfy

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Run, Watchtower, Run

by Uncanny in

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i watched an entertaining german film on cable last night called run.

lola, run.

the plot revolves around how a young woman named lola has 20 minutes to come up with 100,000 marks or her boyfriend gets executed by the mob.. the film cleverly replays a 20 minutes running scene in which lola reacts differently each time to things which happen on her run(s).. one incident has lola nearly knocking down an old woman pedestrian as she rounds a corner.

Wolfy

I remember an episode of the Simpsons where Marge was desperate for company...JW's were walking up to the door and just as they were going to ring the doorbell the one JW asks the other "What are we doing?" They toss the magazines and said let's go get real jobs..

3rd Rock From The Sun...The Dick and family were stoned(painkillers?) and some JW's visited. Wouldn't let them leave..One tried to get up and they made him sit back down. Dick wanted to meet this Jehovah fellow...lol

Regards

Wolfy

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Secret Posters Hedging Their Bets?

by Englishman in

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since i found sites like this on the internet i have been constantly amazed at the great number of people who post here and yet do this in secret.. so many people seem to be trapped in a situation where they desperately want to leave the jw religion behind.

so many people seem to be unable to do so for fear of losing their families, fearing that a da'ing or df'ing decree will separate them from the people that they love.

some posters are even elders and ministerial servants.. so, can you guys tell me how you manage to lead a life that is so complex?

Wolfy

This is a thread that hits close to home with alot of people. People want answers to those troubling questions that the society is unable to answer. Being a JW is not simply religious belief..It is a way of life. Some people are very comfortable with their way of life and would not change it.

It is scary when you have grown up as a JW and after 15,20,25 years or more you leave. It is a life changing decision that you have to make and some people because they are scared will not leave. No matter what you tell them. Others like me WANT to leave. I have very serious issues with the org. I am very IA but if I went and DA'd myself or was DF'd it would tear my family apart. That's the way it stands right now. I want to help my family understand the lies that spew forth from the GB. I am trying slowly..Bringing up certain points when things come up...Trying to get them to THINK! It is a very difficult position to be in. I feel that there are others like myself and I have met some on this forum. Here we can exhanged thoughts and to be a help to one another to find answers to our questions. Here..You will find support when you do leave the org.

Some people may be hedging their bets..It is hard to know. We don't know all the circumstances surrounding peoples situations and I will not judge people's intent. Just try to help if I can.

Regards

Wolfy

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How Should I Do This?

by Wolfy in

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okay....in a few weeks we(wife & kids) are going to visit my parents.

they have been jw's for a long time.... a little back-ground info...a couple of years ago i said the hell with being a jw..grew a goatee (wife said it made me look evil..:) and wanted nothing at all to do with being a jw..elders actually left me alone for the most part...talked to my parents...my mother kinda freaked but my dad said basically that he understood and that i gotta do what i gotta do ..said if he could help i could call...cool.

i have changed alot in that couple of years on the inside..how i feel and think...i am re-examining everything related to jw's and have found many very disturbing facts..i want to talk to my parents about them but i am not sure how to go about it...my mother is the emotional type..doesn't get to deep if you understand my meaning...my dad on the other hand was an elder for many years and is an analitical type person...very down-to-earth.....anyways...does anyone have any suggestions how i can talk to them about what i have found out without them freaking out and calling me apostate?.

Wolfy

Thanks everyone!.You have given me a couple of ideas. I think when I'm there I'm going to have to feel things out a bit but taking my Dad out for a drink is a really good idea..He loves to have a beer or two and maybe that will loosen things up a bit. I hope they don't expect us to go too the meeting while we are there...

Thanks for taking the time out to reply to my post and thanks to those who read it as well...This is new ground for me and it helps when others who have gone through this already give a few pointers...

I will try to drop back in chat in the next couple days...Interesting discussion the last time I dropped in eh Harmony?lol

Regards

Wolfy

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Have a great Canada Day!

by ozziepost in

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g'day you guys from canada, (alright to call you canucks?).

i see from my international style diary that you're having a holiday today.

so here in the far flung parts of the southern climes, we'd like to wish all our canadian fellow posters all the best for today.

Wolfy

Thanks alot! I love Canada and really identify myself as a Canadian...JW's are not supposed to be nationalistic at it was something that always bothered the hell outta me...I take pride in my country and heritage...

Regards

Wolfy

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How Should I Do This?

by Wolfy in

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okay....in a few weeks we(wife & kids) are going to visit my parents.

they have been jw's for a long time.... a little back-ground info...a couple of years ago i said the hell with being a jw..grew a goatee (wife said it made me look evil..:) and wanted nothing at all to do with being a jw..elders actually left me alone for the most part...talked to my parents...my mother kinda freaked but my dad said basically that he understood and that i gotta do what i gotta do ..said if he could help i could call...cool.

i have changed alot in that couple of years on the inside..how i feel and think...i am re-examining everything related to jw's and have found many very disturbing facts..i want to talk to my parents about them but i am not sure how to go about it...my mother is the emotional type..doesn't get to deep if you understand my meaning...my dad on the other hand was an elder for many years and is an analitical type person...very down-to-earth.....anyways...does anyone have any suggestions how i can talk to them about what i have found out without them freaking out and calling me apostate?.

Wolfy

Okay....In a few weeks we(wife & kids) are going to visit my parents. They have been JW's for a long time...

A little back-ground info...A couple of years ago I said the hell with being a JW..Grew a goatee (wife said it made me look evil..:) and wanted nothing at all to do with being a JW..Elders actually left me alone for the most part...Talked to my parents...My mother kinda freaked but my Dad said basically that he understood and that I gotta do what I gotta do ..Said if he could help I could call...cool
I have changed alot in that couple of years on the inside..How I feel and think...I am re-examining everything related to JW's and have found many very disturbing facts..I want to talk to my parents about them but I am not sure how to go about it...My mother is the emotional type..Doesn't get to deep if you understand my meaning...My Dad on the other hand was an elder for many years and is an analitical type person...Very down-to-earth.....Anyways...Does anyone have any suggestions how I can talk to them about what I have found out without them freaking out and calling me apostate?

Thanks

Wolfy

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Position on College Changed?

by Maximus in

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several have made outright statements and others have suggested that the society's negative position on higher education has changed.

'the society does not discourage higher education where i live.

' worse, 'apostates have made it all up--the society has never discouraged education.

Wolfy

Hey Teejay;

I remember the CO's name...I think he is now in Ontario...Not sure in what capacity..He was a great CO..Don't know if you remember when the baggier suits came out...Kinda flashy..I remember talking to my parents about getting one but was told they look too worldly. Next CA there was the CO with one of those suits...Got one shortly thereafter:)

His name was Clive Thomas..His wife's name escapes me at this time but I think it was Rosalind or something like that..Was in his late 30's tall and lean with mostly grey hair but very distinguished looking...

Worked out in service with them and we were covering our territory..I was making the call with his wife..Long drive-way and we had parked at the bottom..I knew the house and knew the people who lived there..Nasty towards JW's..Had a big German Sheppard which they kept on a leash close too their door...Walking up the drive the CO's wife came to a dead stop and then turned and walked back to the car...Followed her and when Clive asked her what happened she replied.."You must not put Jehovah to the test"..He turned red and didn't say a word...Just about killed myself trying to contain my laughter...

Anyways..I am not sure if any of you know him but I have to say I actually looked forwards to their visits to our cong..

Regards...

Wolfy

"Always tell the truth. That way, you don't have to remember what you said."
-Mark Twain

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Complement a Poster

by Black Man in

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here's your chance to complement a poster whose posts make you think, make you mad, make you laugh, make you cry.

i usually find something that i dig in everybody's post around these parts.

but i'll single out some peeps in particular.

Wolfy

I just wanted to say thank-you for everyone who posts here. I have learned much in a very short time and am grateful to everyone who posts here. I find it invigorating to be able to ask questions and not feel like I'm gonna be hauled before a JC.

I know I haven't been here long but I want everyone to know your insights and your efforts to help are very much appreciated...

Best Regards

Wolfy