in valis's thread "discussion with my dad --- ended badly", he requested some help explaining the reason that the blood doctrine is faulty.
this is something i wrote out a few years ago and i wanted to post it here in case someone could find it useful.. feel free to use it any way you wish.. .
the blood issue.
Wow - amazing work, simply astonishing.
While I certainly don't agree with the arguments you use to back up your claim - because they rely on JW teachings - that makes it all the more perfect.
You are using their OWN arguments to defeat them. Absolutely brilliant.
This is written EXACTLY how it needs to be to get a JW to think.
now, lets be honest here.
what were you looking for when you were searching for a wife/husband in the organization?
was it the good looks of the other person, or maybe the spirituality they had, or maybe the good job he or she had?
who would be a bit kinky
WHAT!?!?
You mean, you did not intend to take the org's books to heart about the 'proper' way for a married couple to physically manifest their 'special arrangement' created by god?
You intended....deviant...sexual behavior?
BLASPHEMY!!
Simply shocking....
now, lets be honest here.
what were you looking for when you were searching for a wife/husband in the organization?
was it the good looks of the other person, or maybe the spirituality they had, or maybe the good job he or she had?
I don't know that I ever distinguished the two.
I was, like, an uber-JW, and I guess it just never occurred to me (as a kid, VERY mind controlled) that there were different 'levels' of spirituality.
So, I was looking for a cutie, since, after all, any JW sister who was a cutie must ALSO be very spiritual (since ALL JWs were spiritual, except the ones 'satan' got a hold of, but they were always quickly found out and DF'd Yeah, I know....)
caught inbetween the wt doctrine and being "worldly", x 'hovahs live a strange life indeed.
sampling what the world has to offer, yet remaing loyal to wt doctrine is the dichotomy that is the loyal x 'hovah.. my friend, let's call him "gomer", is such a person.
undoubtedly bothered by this situation, gomer refuses to delve into the world of the truth about the "truth".
As has been mentioned before, my wife is something of a 'gomer'.
She's quite out, and hates them perhaps more than I do. She hates christianity, christians and their saviour.
But, she still essentially believes in their god and the GB's teachings.
(Which is as a good a proof as any that JWs aren't 'christians' - they cut the christ out of their religion a long time ago).
It's very irritating because I see how it can get her down from time to time. It's also VERY hard to talk to her about it - she does change the subject a lot, gets irritated when I try and argue the religion w/ my brother, etc.
yep, it's true, all of this forum reading, answering of posts, etc, etc, is definitely spoiling any wt habits i had left.
myself, well it started with a tattoo almost 3 years ago.
always wanted one, couldn't see the harm in one, etc.
every time I see a cross, I think of it being a fallic symbol, churches too
I thought the JW objection to the cross was that it was a pagan symbol (RE; the Ankh and other similar symbols), not so much directly phallic.
And, in any case, the Romans *did* actually execute religious prisoners on crosses. That it was a pagan symbol may or may not have been lost on them. May not, as in: what better way to execute a religious insurgent than in public on a giant symbol of a religion he died opposing! (The Romans were, of course, quite pagan at the time) Or, may have been lost on them, as in: it was the only way to hang somebody that would 'work' and the symbolism of it was completely coincedental.
hey all,.
has anyone ever ventured into that world that witnesses call christendom once they stopped attending the kingdom hall?.
i know that i have returned to "my own vomit" as j.w.
A Minbari Ranger?
as a kid growing up with an elder father, from time to time we would have parts on stage at the meeting or assembly.
my dad had a certain talk he must have delivered to a couple dozen different congregations, about families.
during the talk, he would have my sister and i cause a scene during the talk, in which we would ultimately run on stage argueing.
one sister was taken aside by and elder after the meeting for not being able to control the giggles
OMG!
That was the HARDEST part - controlling giggles. We had a couple of older sisters in our hall who VERY disapproved of laughter, and would incite the elders to haul you ass IN THE BACK if you were laughing at a mistake.
So, obviously, whenever a brother would have a funny word slip or what-have-you, nobody laughed. But, for us kids, OH that was hard...rocking back and forth, lips pressed together...
Similar to what still happened when married in a new hall. I'd see the speaker say or do something that reminded me of a hilarious sketch or something the wife and I had seen, whisper to the wife, and we'd both be supressing laughter through the whole rest of the meeting. (It's kind of a cycle, repressed laughter is, YOU repress, which makes the other person think of the funny topic...and, of course, you trying not to laugh, which is even funnier, making them have to fight harder to stop, which looks silly to YOU, etc.)
Made meetings go by a lot easier, though!
there seemed to be one or two of these in every hall with which i was associated.
usually a married couple.
one of whom was handicapped in some way.
Related topic:
Notice how many of the older ones in the hall, shortly before dying, went completely 'crazy', and we (as kids) were no longer allowed to associate with them?
You know, right when the realization hits them: they are going to die, and not live in to the new system, and realize they had wasted their whole life. Although COMPLETELY lucid, they can't stop talking about all the failed prophecies and the promises that didn't come true, and...especially...the stupidity of the early teachings and why us kids should just get out now and not waste OUR lives, etc.
We used to drive a very good sister to the hall once every week - for years - as she got older and older. Then, for some reason us kids didn't understand, we stopped taking her. Apparently, she had become 'possesed' and a demon was speaking through her.
Happened a lot more than once, too, but, then, we had a lot of older sisters in the hall. Even an 'annointed' sister, too. It was so sad, everyone said, 'She kept her faith, right up to the end...then succumbed to Satan'.
Of course, they were right...it IS sad...but for all the wrong reasons.
hey all,.
has anyone ever ventured into that world that witnesses call christendom once they stopped attending the kingdom hall?.
i know that i have returned to "my own vomit" as j.w.
*scratches head*
Hmmm...freddi, you been here a while. This topic has to be one of the most prevelant posted here: IE; 'What happens next?'
Any particular reason for the recent refresh?
sorry guys.
but the old guys in brooklyn have decided that you're spending far too much time enjoying yourself.
see aw 12/22/02 for details.
OOOhhhh, this one hits close...first, general comments. How the article would have read...30 years ago!
Playing violent computer and video games
Reading the violent and graphic tales of violence in books (not the bible, though) may encourage aggressive behavior.
Electronic games
Reading books can make you more than a spectator of violence; they are designed to make you feel like a participant.
For the impressionable, reading books
games may blur the distinction between reality and fantasy.
Like an addiction, reading books
game playing can lead to neglect of important obligations (like, selling magazines!) and relationships.
Games
Books can consume time that should be spent on other important activities, such as studying (our magazines), interacting with others (to sell them magazines, and forget we mentioned that online games have you interacting with others, too), and playing creatively ("I'm the householder, you be the witness and practice your presentation!").
Prolonged staring at the screen
reading of books (but not ours!) can cause eyestrain.
Lack of exercise, a possible result of reading too many books (but not ours!)
game playing, can lead to obesity.
Games
Books (not not ours!) can rob you of money and time.
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Bleh, just don't like how generic that piece was.
As soon as I find it difficult to keep my playing at a balanced level, I just push the delete button again
I HATED that cycle. When, as a teen, I would start drifting towards wordliness, I'd have a collection of games and Star Trek books, etc (god forbid!). I'd feel all guilty, and throw it all out. Then, I'd start buying some more, feel guilty again, throw it all out.
I'VE LOST SO MUCH STUFF THAT WAY!!!
Gods, I hate these people. Here they are ENCOURAGING that behavior!!!
