Posts by Xander

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Is the Major Battle Going to Start Today in Iraq?

by hawkaw in

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the war has been going on for sometime if anyone has actually been following along what has been going on in iraq .... .

but today .... .

msnbc reporting that ari fleischer has lidded his daily press gaggle, and that the president has cancelled some speech or meeting about health care he was supposed to have this afternoon.

Xander

March l7

Interesting.

March 17, or, 18th, more specifically, would have to be the absolutely WORST possible date to start a night attack. It's a full moon. Ever seen a full moon in the desert? Might as well be mid-day.....

(In any case, I certainly hope the attack isn't timed so as to cause unusually high US casualties...although it would boost the fear of the enemy the masses have back home, giving the government more opportunity to seize greater control. Even *I* don't think they'd stoop that low, though.)

Since the 2nd came and went with no more, I'm going to adjust guess to the next New Moon - April 1.

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JWs & the united Nations

by sandy in

can anyone tell me how to find the information proving that the jws have dealings with the un and that they are in fact members.

i went on the un main website but i could not find anything.

i tried their search engine and nothing came up.. please help!.

Xander

You'll have to call the UN or the WT to ask for the publications or excuses (whichever).

The WT withdrew its membership when it was 'caught', but the info was on the site up until the end of 2001, IIRC.

I think the only place this info exists now is on the 'web archive' project:

http://web.archive.org

But I can't for the life of me remember where it was on there.

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My Story.(now that I'm no longer a "newbie")

by Gamaliel in

friends, .

i was responding to another thread about whether the elders were happy to get rid of me, and my answer got so long, i felt like i was hijaaking the thread.

so i decided to tell a little more of my story here as a way of introducing myself, and of course to tell folks here how happy i am to make your acquaintances on the forum.

Xander

Question:

This writing dept scandal you write of....details?

I'm curious - haven't really chatted with anyone so close to Bethel...well, after they LEFT, anyway....

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How to become a webcam whore....

by Xander in

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five easy steps!.

http://maddox.xmission.com/cam_whore.html.

Xander

Five easy steps!

http://maddox.xmission.com/cam_whore.html

*grumble*grumble*embedding not working*grumble*

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Dizzy Christianity - Fraudulent and Evil Rotten - from beginning to end

by Xander in

was going to bump the other thread, but, this....just...... i mean:.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/murderers.htm.

some fun the early christians had:the pope's pears:.

Xander

As an illustration. You maintain god exists, but had nothing to do with these tortures.

Suppose a group of children went about a city. Sodomizing people with a knife, say. As a victimized homeless person lay here bleeding to death, the child was sure to proclaim loudly that you, their father (even though you may well not be), commanded them to do this in a letter you sent them. The whole group keeps doing this for some time, without being caught. Of course, you know all about it (see, in this illustration, you are the all-knowing and all-powerful god). Indeed, you knew this was going to happen long before it started (foreknowing, remember). And, lo and behold, you know where the group is hiding out.

Do you take any action to stop this? Turn them in? Something? Before it started? No? At least after it had gone on a while, right? No? 10 years? A hundred? A thousand?

Do you at least send them a note saying "hey, that other letter I sent you, you're reading it all wrong, this is what I meant?" No? You aren't too afraid of them to show up in person and correct them, though, huh? But, you never do?

See the problem?

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Dizzy Christianity - Fraudulent and Evil Rotten - from beginning to end

by Xander in

was going to bump the other thread, but, this....just...... i mean:.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/murderers.htm.

some fun the early christians had:the pope's pears:.

Xander

then wouldn't the crimes of Pagan roman leaders like Diocletian disprove paganism

Pagans don't all worship the same god. And not all pagan gods are lovy-dovey, either (IE., they don't CLAIM to be gods of love).

'Crimes' of the Aztecs in worshipping their sun god leaves the same results. Either, their god: (and I'm quoting my exact text from above here):

does NOT exist at all, exists and is powerless to actually DO anything, or exists and gets great pleasure out of watching human suffering.

In that case, I think 'C' is a possible valid answer.

the Mideval Roman Catholic Church disproves Christianity

But, it's not a valid comparison. The Roman Catholic Church claims that was the sole representative on earth on the one, single, all powerful god of the universe, and that their torture devices were used in his name (implied, of course, by his will).

No pagan religion or ceremony makes any kind of claims so bold. Many worship a god that DOES enjoy human suffering. But, he doesn't claim to do otherwise. Certainly doesn't claim to be the one and only all-powerful god of the universe made of love.

Surely, there are some pagan religions who claim to worship a god of love then do obscene things in said god's name. Does the fact that the god being profaned doesn't intervene disprove said god exists? It may well, but that doesn't undermine paganism at all, as the very foundation of the orientation is that there are MANY gods/deities.

It DOES, however, if the religion is claiming the god they are profaning through their actions is the only one, and actually supports them. Like, say, christians.

Either, the christian god REALLY DID support the Roman Catholic Church when it was tearing up the insides of a woman with "Pope's Pears" or starting a crusade or scalding the flesh of someone to get a 'conversion'.....OR, said god doesn't actually exist or have any power to defend its name.

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Dizzy Christianity - Fraudulent and Evil Rotten - from beginning to end

by Xander in

was going to bump the other thread, but, this....just...... i mean:.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/murderers.htm.

some fun the early christians had:the pope's pears:.

Xander

Just because a Church (which falsly claimed to represent Christ) did these terrible things does not make Christ himself untrue.

Abaddon has hit the nail on the head in response to this.

As there is no proof for god or christ, torture like sited above (and then some!) can occur in their names. Indeed, lack of proof causes conflict about the interpretation which the very CAUSE of all of the above.

Apply even to the modern day - the christians maintain their god is true and the one and only all powerful in the universe (and they have a holy book that proves it *thump* *thump*), while at the same time the muslims ALSO claim their god is true and the one and only all powerful god in the universe (and THEY have a holy book to prove it *shakes book in air*).

Think.

If said all powerful god really existed, it could EASILY have established its existence in a clear, cannot be refuted way, to EVERYONE IN THE WORLD they exist and their designs for man (remember, you are talking about a being that created the entire universe here. Surely, appearing as a pillar of fire in front of each and every human on the planet, then reciting what it had in mind for them in their native tongue, should be no problem at all, right?)

By allowing the conflicts over its existence to continue, indeed, by being so ambigious about even existing, the horrors as cited above, and much worse, are the only result.

How can you claim a loving god exists, then at the same time just leaves enough 'proof' (as you would have it) it exists as to cause mass campaigns of murder and torture of the people of the earth against each other.

Either your god does NOT exist at all, exists and is powerless to actually DO anything, or exists and gets great pleasure out of watching human suffering.

In any case, worshipping such a being is disgusting.

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Dizzy Christianity - Fraudulent and Evil Rotten - from beginning to end

by Xander in

was going to bump the other thread, but, this....just...... i mean:.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/murderers.htm.

some fun the early christians had:the pope's pears:.

Xander

Was going to bump the other thread, but, this....just.....

I mean:

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/murderers.htm

Some fun the early christians had:

The Pope's Pears: The vaginal pear was used on woman who had sex with the Devil or his familiars. The rectal pear was used on passive male homosexuals and the oral pear was used on heretical preachers or lay persons found guilty of unorthodox practices. Inserted into the mouth, anus or vagina of the victim, the pear was expanded by use of the screw until the insides are ripped, stretched and mutilated, almost always causing death. The pointed ends of the 'leaves' were good for ripping the throat, intestines or cervix open.

*dizzy*

I mean....how....just.....HOW...

And that, sadly, is not even the TIP of the iceberg.....

The Holy Trinity:

When a sinner had "blasphemed the holy name of god", or when he had perhaps told some truth about the local priest, it was customary to apply the holy trinity. The Iron mask was heated in an open fire until red hot, then put upon his head. The scourge, also red hot, was then applied to his back. After the mask had cooled, it was removed from the sinner, taking skin (and usually eyeballs) with it. The prisoner's mouth was then opened and red hot pincers were used to remove the prisoner's tongue.
It is interesting to note that the Holy Trinity was designed not to cause death, so that the maimed, blinded and mute prisoner could live out his days as a burden to his family and as a testimony to what happens when one lets his tongue wag too freely.

Having fun, yet?

Sorry, but if the christian god actually existed, no one would be have even been able to do something so obscenely disgusting in his name.

Surely not for HUNDREDS of years.

We can only thank secular humanity for forcing laws that outlaw such behavior - although not much worse still goes on around the world on a regular basis.

Sorry, but if you worship a god that either supported that behavior or was powerless to stop mere humans from doing it in his name, you are sick.

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Do u feel u missed out being a JW Teen?

by Shytears in

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do you feel that you missed out on the social part?emotional part?how do u feel your parents handled it?were they strict,let u do anything?

i just have alot going thru my mind,just wanted to hear some of your comments

laura

Xander

You can judge if you want to label us 'good' or 'bad' teen-dubbies.

*I'm* not judging you. I'm just saying that, by the society's literature, you WERE 'bad' JWs.

And my point has always been that worldly people (whether they are bona-fide 100% worldly, or just JWs 'sitting on the fence') have a normal childhood/teen years.

'Good' JWs do not.

I'm not arguing with you or anything, it's just that your example doesn't really apply here, as you weren't a 'by the book' JW.

The point that Oro was making is that a 'by the book JW' (assuming he is thinking this as his quote is almost verbatim out of the YPA articles) can still have a fun, normal teen life. They cannot. While, at the same time, he is implying that worldly people all go live lives of hedonism and end up suffering, which is also demonstrably not true.

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I GOT MAIL (And it Had Ciggies In It)!!!

by Francois in

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vivamus, our buddy from the netherlands, has sent a package over here to the states containing three ciggies.

stuyvesants they are.

i haven't smoked any of them yet - they just now got here.

Xander

So, MrMoe, how IS that quitting going, then?