the biggest error wt has continued to make for the last 120yrs is they leave a wonderful paper trail behind - where a serious student of study will have no problem following and seeing that so many of their lofty claims simply don't fly .
case in point - are the elders trained or untrained clergymen as it were?.
well for those of you who have never served as an elder allow me to share with you what elders are told about their training.
Some of them are trained and some of them are untrained. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. In my experience about a third are pretty good so I guess they might be considered trained.
I went through the list of cases in the Louisville newspaper article with one of the good elders and he pointed out the error in every case. Mistakes that he would not have made. Unfortunately there aren't enough like him.
i've been thinking about americans.
specifically about whether the wt, being an american dominated religion, forces american attitudes and culture upon other nations.. now, don't get me wrong, i'm not anti-american.
living in canada i have a lot of contact with many americans.
If you guys like a little more 'earthy' anti-hero type you might try Dewey Lambdin's books about an Alan Lewrie, a naval officer of the same period. Very corruptible ) Not Flashman but getting in that direction.
Edited by - Xandit on 26 February 2001 23:32:56
i've been thinking about americans.
specifically about whether the wt, being an american dominated religion, forces american attitudes and culture upon other nations.. now, don't get me wrong, i'm not anti-american.
living in canada i have a lot of contact with many americans.
O'Brian is very good, I guess that should be 'was' very good unfortunately. What do you think of the Alexander Kent series, the Bolitho books?
I'm trying to dredge my memory for the beard thing, it will come to me eventually.
i've been thinking about americans.
specifically about whether the wt, being an american dominated religion, forces american attitudes and culture upon other nations.. now, don't get me wrong, i'm not anti-american.
living in canada i have a lot of contact with many americans.
Well Grunt you found something we can agree on, I'm a big time Hornblower fan. I have to admit though that Richard Sharpe is giving him a run for his money at the moment. I met some Napoleanic re-enactors in London, outside Wellington's house, a few months ago. They were going to be participating in new Hornblower programs towards the end of 2000. I dont' know how long it will take for them to show up on PBS. What do you thing of Aubrey and Maturin?
With regard to the cultural imperialism thing, I've seen quite a bit of it. There's a surprising amount of resentment about it in some countries, particularly the UK. Of course I've seen Brits do the same thing in other countries.
About beards. This whole deal really runs back to the time of Rutherford. When he took over, a certain number of Bethelites grew beards in protest, ala' Russell. Almost no one knows about the original reason, it's just become a tradition. Ever since that time beards have been virtually verboten though I am seeing that crack in a few more places now, especially outside the US but a few places within the States have become more tolerant, of course the CO tends to go balistic when he comes around.
Edited by - Xandit on 25 February 2001 23:37:4
infant has "bloodless" surgery.
by andrew bridges.
feb. 22, 2001 | los angeles (ap) -- .
If abstain means 'abstain' then that's the way it should be, 100% avoidance. If it doesn't mean 'abstain' and we've probably all heard the arguments, then it should be a matter of conscience. That's my opinion for what it's worth. The present situation is insupportable and untenable, consequently, it will be changed. It's being changed now, too slowly in my opinion but it is changing. The hemoglobin thing was enormous.
The court threw out the Moscow district prosecutor's case.
i have made a couple of remarks regarding family dynamics on other threads, but i thought it's be nice to start a new thread.... i'm no psychologist, but suffice it to say i see some similarities here.
(please add to/comment on these thoughts).
the organization wishes to be seen as our mother.
For all the hair splitters out there, when I talked about softball nearly every weekend that was the congregation where I grew up, which seemed fairly evident from the thread. You guys get nit picky in a hurry when it suits you don't you? The rest of the time you just say "pass me another camel."
To mommy, I don't need you advice about whether I post here or not so spare yourself the effort.
To larc, they're so busy patting themselves on the head and back that I doubt any effort on my part would have any significant effect. Perhaps there are some serious mental problems running around here ) but mostly there's a lot of self-indulgence, at least that's my impression. I'm not too bad with people that actually have such problems, especially if those problems have been diagnosed by some kind of clinician, not very good with those that self-diagnose )
infant has "bloodless" surgery.
by andrew bridges.
feb. 22, 2001 | los angeles (ap) -- .
You are quite correct mommy, that's not confusing at all.
i have made a couple of remarks regarding family dynamics on other threads, but i thought it's be nice to start a new thread.... i'm no psychologist, but suffice it to say i see some similarities here.
(please add to/comment on these thoughts).
the organization wishes to be seen as our mother.
My hat is off to those that got on with their lives and did something with it.
As far as the wallowers go, you're your own worst enemy and you do and have done far more damage to yourselves than I or anyone like me ever could. I try to look at things the way they are not the way I want them to be, good or bad. You should try it sometime.
This has nothing to do with empathy or sympathy, it has to do with the reality of people who build their lives on excuses. I have no sympathy or empathy for such people because I don't believe in enabling or empowering such attitudes.
If you want to attack me personally, feel free to waste your time. It has zero effect on me other than to confirm my opinion of your character.
Just in the interest of accuracy. I have lots of friends, inside and outside the organization and the only thing I'm bitter about is the tax structure of the US government.
larc you'd probably like my congregation just fine. They might even like you. Oh, and this congregation isn't much for softball, it's more basketball and football, which is unfortunate because a lot of people aren't up to that.
i have a question.... if the elders "catch wind" of something that could be a df'ing offense, and they ask for a judicial, if you don't show up or refuse to talk to them, can they disfellowship u in absence??
if they can, is there any legal action that can be taken against it?.
i've been threatened by my jw husband (we are separated) because i've met someone else...he is threatening to tell the elders i'm dating someone else ( though as of yet, no "fornication" has occured and it's long distance) if i don't write a letter of disassociation.
Moody you can just walk. They can't do a thing without two witnesses and you're husbands unsupported allegation isn't good enough. Now, if you move in with someone and that can be proved, then that's a different story. Since you don't really care, what difference does it make?
