my puppy, friday, has never gotten himself into this type of a situation!
there are times when man's best friend needs attention!.
the dog whose wish was finally granted.
My puppy, Friday, has NEVER gotten HIMSELF into this type of a situation! /Yadirf
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There are times when man's best friend needs attention!
THE DOG WHOSE WISH WAS FINALLY GRANTED
Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
to be taught not to criticise or analyse what you are being told, to be taught not to think for one self and to be taught that information can only come from one source, to be taught not to listen to the reasoned argument of people with other beliefs should surely set alarm bells ringing.. especially when this source has proved to be unreliable through decades of changing doctrine.. what will it take for people to realise?
even when they abandon 1914, will people take note?
will just a few people be "stumbled" and then the old teaching quickly be forgotten?.
ashit
Either get in the ballgame, or else be content to set on the sidelines and keep quiet. Don't you EVER read the other persons comments before you reply? Obviously NOT! You have such shallow thinking faculties, if you have any at all that is, that you can't follow a simple discussion. I would suggest that you sit and watch, until you've learned how to listen.
Yadirf
Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
to be taught not to criticise or analyse what you are being told, to be taught not to think for one self and to be taught that information can only come from one source, to be taught not to listen to the reasoned argument of people with other beliefs should surely set alarm bells ringing.. especially when this source has proved to be unreliable through decades of changing doctrine.. what will it take for people to realise?
even when they abandon 1914, will people take note?
will just a few people be "stumbled" and then the old teaching quickly be forgotten?.
Gopher
Yadirf,You completely missed the point, Gopher. The point was whether or not the WTS is truly a false prophet, as based on the 1914 error. Regarding THAT point, I had said: “you [Gumby] call it a ‘false prophecy’. But I call it an adjustment in understanding.” To which Gumby replied, and I quote: "I" don't call it [the 1914 thing] a false prophecy nor does any other Apostate....the bible calls it a false prophecy.
You said:would you favor having any and all College teachers being fired from their jobs, simply on the basis of their having made some error?Yes I would, if the teacher was shown to be extraordinarily harsh with their students and in their discipline.
So, the discussion and comments centered around the 1914 thing and that alone … not just anything and everything that you can conjure up in order to take the focus off what the point really was in me having said what I did.
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Jigrigger
Hi Yadirf,You apparently overlooked my previous comments. Note where I earlier said: “However, I was explaining things on the basis of how such a change will impact the WTS itself. No adjustment in the past will have impacted the WTS as much as the 1914 change will.”What you're referring to as "major doctrinal changes" were actually quite MINOR when placed up beside the 1914 doctrine.It really depends on how you look at it. I don't think that the change regarding organ transplants….
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Try to catch the boat next time, will you fellas?
Yadirf
Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
to be taught not to criticise or analyse what you are being told, to be taught not to think for one self and to be taught that information can only come from one source, to be taught not to listen to the reasoned argument of people with other beliefs should surely set alarm bells ringing.. especially when this source has proved to be unreliable through decades of changing doctrine.. what will it take for people to realise?
even when they abandon 1914, will people take note?
will just a few people be "stumbled" and then the old teaching quickly be forgotten?.
Dumby Gumby
"I" don't call it a false prophecy nor does any other Apostate....the bible calls it a false prophecy.In the past there were Prophets in one sense of the word. The WTS, though a prophet, is not a prophet in the same sense as like Daniel was a Prophet. That’s something that an Apostate like yourself don’t have the will to accept. The WTS (being dedicated to do God’s will as it understands it to be) has served as a “prophet” in the sense that it has given it’s best efforts towards understanding the Bible and shared what it understood with the people of the world. The scripture which you imagine to apply to the WTS as a false prophet therefore has no relevance to the WTS, because the WTS is a prophet in the sense of being a teacher … not in the sense of being a Daniel-like Prophet. A teacher that makes a mistake is not a false teacher, it’s a true teacher that made a mistake. Or would you favor having any and all College teachers being fired from their jobs, simply on the basis of their having made some error?
Yadirf,
who says: "Lights out! Gone to bed."
Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
to be taught not to criticise or analyse what you are being told, to be taught not to think for one self and to be taught that information can only come from one source, to be taught not to listen to the reasoned argument of people with other beliefs should surely set alarm bells ringing.. especially when this source has proved to be unreliable through decades of changing doctrine.. what will it take for people to realise?
even when they abandon 1914, will people take note?
will just a few people be "stumbled" and then the old teaching quickly be forgotten?.
Dumby Gumby
Vaccination changes,taking blood fractions,divorce over oral sex changes, organ transplants, etc,etc.True, there is are casualties with almost every miscalculation. That is not a minor thing, and I recognize that. However, I was explaining things on the basis of how such a change will impact the WTS itself. No adjustment in the past will have impacted the WTS as much as the 1914 change will.
These "CHANGES" cost people before them their lives, my superior! How "MINOR" is this to you?
Yadirf,
definitely, DEFINITELY going to bed this time.
Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
to be taught not to criticise or analyse what you are being told, to be taught not to think for one self and to be taught that information can only come from one source, to be taught not to listen to the reasoned argument of people with other beliefs should surely set alarm bells ringing.. especially when this source has proved to be unreliable through decades of changing doctrine.. what will it take for people to realise?
even when they abandon 1914, will people take note?
will just a few people be "stumbled" and then the old teaching quickly be forgotten?.
Dumby Gumby
The adjustment will be dropping another FALSE PROPHECY.And just what part of "in order to do a refining work" do you not comprehend? To drop such a long held belief (a highly significant belief), due to finally recognizing it to have been an erroneous concept, will be an adjustment like no other of the past.
WAKE UP!
As to it having been a "false prophecy", that's simply what an apostate wishes to call it. The fact is, however, that the WTS considered what was taught to be what the Bible itself meant ... but failed to understand it correctly nonetheless. They taught what was construed to be an accurate understanding of the Scriptures. You call that a “prophecy”, but I call it sharing with others what is believed to be true regarding what the Bible itself said. When something such as this fails, you call it a "false prophecy”. But I call it an adjustment in understanding. That's the irony of a person that's fully asleep (meaning YOU) telling someone like me to "wake up" … although I am very, very sleepy and am definitely headed to bed this time.
Yadirf
Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
to be taught not to criticise or analyse what you are being told, to be taught not to think for one self and to be taught that information can only come from one source, to be taught not to listen to the reasoned argument of people with other beliefs should surely set alarm bells ringing.. especially when this source has proved to be unreliable through decades of changing doctrine.. what will it take for people to realise?
even when they abandon 1914, will people take note?
will just a few people be "stumbled" and then the old teaching quickly be forgotten?.
Dumby Gumby
Will just a few people be "stumbled" and then the old teaching quickly be forgotten?What you're referring to as "major doctrinal changes" were actually quite MINOR when placed up beside the 1914 doctrine. You need to realize that. For that reason there's not much of a chance that what can truly be called a MAJOR change will be forgotten at all.
That is exactly what will happen as with all other major doctrinal changes.
Yadirf,
who has now grown to be very and
so: Shadrach, Meshach, and to Bed-me-go.
Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
to be taught not to criticise or analyse what you are being told, to be taught not to think for one self and to be taught that information can only come from one source, to be taught not to listen to the reasoned argument of people with other beliefs should surely set alarm bells ringing.. especially when this source has proved to be unreliable through decades of changing doctrine.. what will it take for people to realise?
even when they abandon 1914, will people take note?
will just a few people be "stumbled" and then the old teaching quickly be forgotten?.
Will any lurkers here say Yes I will leave the org when they drop 1914 as the start of Christ's presence?
Ah, the 1914 doctrine. Compared to all other beliefs of the WTS ... now that IS A BIGGIE! Or I really should say, the MOST IMPORTANT adjustment the WTS needs to make. Oh what changes will follow that happening. Lots and lots of adjustments will be forthcoming. Exciting!!!
No, to answer your question, when the "biggie" is dropped, and it will be discarded, I surely won't be severing ties with the WTS. Instead, THAT's when I'll be headed back to the meetings. Why? Well, of course it has something to do with my signature, below. I'll leave it for you to figure out how.
Yadirf
Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
we put our first tree up, a blue spruce with white lights and a hodge podge of ornaments and a little tinsel.
it's beautiful and was a lot of fun, the kids were so picky about choosing where to put their ornaments.
anyone else have a picture of their tree to post?
Mindfield
Why can you say the pagan origins of the date December 25th is crucial in determining whether is should be celebrated or not and still accept marriage with its wedding ring, which also had pagan origins? Both marriage and the birth of Jesus have their importance... what makes you selectively take one but ignore the other? Isn't the fact that Christmas no longer has resemblances to its pagan roots makes it acceptable now?First off, Mindfield, the subject of this thread is about "Christmas Tree Pictures", which has to do with the Christmas celebration. It's NOT about weddings. But, that be as it may, a “wedding ring” is a sign that the one wearing it is “taken” … an outward indication for all to see that the person already belongs to another. Of course there’s no end to the number of things that a MIND like yours, MINDFIELD, can think up, which you imagine to be inconsistent with the JWs stand in one way or another. For example: Tin cans are of pagan origin. Automobiles are too. Computers as well. We Christians use a heck of a lot of things which are the handiwork of “pagans”, right? Right! According to YOUR logic, JWs shouldn’t have a car, a computer, a wedding ring, etc., etc.
A wedding ring is much like a marriage certificate, which is ALSO of pagan origin. Right? Right! Why do JWs go to the trouble to obtain a legal, pagan Marriage Certificate? For the same reason they might wish to wear a pagan wedding band. To use something such as the wedding ring for the purpose I’ve described is one thing. To indulge in a pagan celebration/festivity or even copy from it is quite another … PARTICULARLY when it centers around something as important as the Savior of the world, the Messiah.
So when it comes to the “Christmas” celebration, it’s not only the pagan *date* that figures in on the issue.
Yadirf
Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
we put our first tree up, a blue spruce with white lights and a hodge podge of ornaments and a little tinsel.
it's beautiful and was a lot of fun, the kids were so picky about choosing where to put their ornaments.
anyone else have a picture of their tree to post?
Scully
Anyway, I just wanted you to know that regardless of the net.kooks that were harrassing you about your feelings,...."Kooks"??? So now I'm plural am I?
Me "harrassing" LB??? I guess presenting the facts is somewhat harrassing!!! ROFLMAO!!!
you do have far more support here than you can possibly imagine."Support"??? A shoulder to cry on yeah, but nothing to help the poor guy win his arguments. ROFLMAO again!!!
Yadirf,
ROFLHAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
