You new here Deacon? I'm just getting back on the board.
Yeru
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"Vanity! It's my favorite sin!"
[Al Pacino as Satan, in "DEVIL'S ADVOCATE"]
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To: Deacon
by Amazing inhi deacon: i am making this a separate post, because i believe that your comments deserve some discussion on their own thread.. you opened and then concluded by saying, "you know what amazing?
you can take the man out the wt but not the wt out of the man.
why do you choose to open and close with insults?
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It's Starts Today
by Yerusalyim inmy road trip to illinois, indiana, new york city, and south carolina starts today.
wife is getting around pretty good.
god bless and talk at ya all at the end of the month.
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My road trip to Illinois, Indiana, New York City, and South Carolina starts today. Wife is getting around pretty good. God Bless and talk at ya all at the end of the month.
SilentLambs,What's the word on revelations?
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by Yerusalyim indo we have this revelation that was put off from the 25th to the 30th?.
yeru.
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Do we have this revelation that was put off from the 25th to the 30th?
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Update on Wife, my move, etc
by Yerusalyim inthanks for your thoughts and well wishes.
liza made it through the surgery ok. it turned into a 3 1/2 hour surgery instead of the 2 hours they predicted, oh well.
she ended up losing one of her ovaries out of the deal.
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Thanks for your thoughts and well wishes. Liza made it through the surgery ok. It turned into a 3 1/2 hour surgery instead of the 2 hours they predicted, oh well. She ended up losing one of her ovaries out of the deal. A cyst that had been drained a few months ago was back so they took the ovary. Her uterus was full of fibrodal tumors and she had a massive, though benign (yea right) tumor on the outside of her uterus too. She came home Sunday and is getting around as much as can be expected. The expected emotional trauma is present. Like many women she sees her femininity tied into having a womb. I just hug her and tell her I love her and that she's always a lady to me.
Movers picked up my furniture yeserday and we're in a hotel now (JOY). I'll spend the next few days getting the house ready to rent out to someone (ANYONE) We leave here on Friday 3 August and go to Illinois, Indiana, and NY City before heading to South Carolina. One of our passengers will be two Torah Scrolls from the Local Synagogue that I'm transporting to NY City for the Jewish Welfare Board.
Doubt that I'll be posting much if at all until the end of August. FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT.
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Special Local Needs Part -- Re: Dateline
by NotBlind inby means of a phone conversation with my sister this morning, i have learned that a congregation very near to bill bowen, the m__w__ congregation, gave a local needs service meeting part last night on the subject of "protecting your children from pedophiles".. although i wasn't there, here's what my sister said was included in the talk:.
1. when a man is a pedophile, he won't ever be a ms or elder again.. 2. wt doesn't shield offenders from 'caesar's laws'.
note: never said that they turn them in to the authorities, just that they don't 'shield them'.
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I'm praying they air this in the Fall. Can't wait to see what the fall out is.
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Wife in Surgery
by Yerusalyim inprayers and thoughts for my wife, liza, who is undergoing a hysterectomy today.. she has fibrodal tumors and cysts in her uterus, she gets to keep her ovaries (thank god).. yeru (who gets cut off for six weeks).
yerusalyim.
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Prayers and Thoughts for my wife, Liza, who is undergoing a hysterectomy today.
She has fibrodal tumors and cysts in her uterus, she gets to keep her ovaries (thank God).
Yeru (who gets cut off for six weeks)YERUSALYIM
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Christmas Star = Satan?!
by reagan_oconnor ini was talking with my husband the other day about the jw's belief that the "christmas star" that guided the magi to christ was the doings of satan.
he didn't believe me; this is what i found in the "my book of bible stories" (copied verbatim from cd-rom).
who do you think made that new star to shine?
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Friday,
You wouldn't know scriptural truth it is jump off the page at you. Which it indeed has, not suprising considering you are of the Jehovah's Witness persuasion. Your "ass" isn't dead, just your ability to use logic and comprehend truth.
What, pray tell, does the pope or his shoes have to do with anything? Before you start throwing rocks at the Catholic Church see to your own glass house Bethel Boy!
I said it before, I'll say it again. NA NA DA BOO BOO!
Your so called "logic" failed, as did your attempt to use scripure to justify your position and you resorted to personal attacks and insults to which I again say NA NA DA BOO BOO! with love and respect for you as a person of course. Those Borg implants are bitch, huh?Yeru
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More on Priest revealing Confession
by Yerusalyim inreceived this info from an email friend.
the following article was in the ny times:.
bronx man was freed from prison yesterday by a federal judge who said he never would have been convicted of murder if the jury had known 13 years ago that a guilt- racked teenager had admitted committing the crime to a priest, a lawyer and others.. in his ruling, judge denny chin of united states district court in manhattan noted that federal courts rarely freed prisoners convicted in state criminal cases.
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Received this info from an email friend. The following article was in the NY Times:
Bronx man was freed from prison yesterday by a federal judge who said he never would have been convicted of murder if the jury had known 13 years ago that a guilt- racked teenager had admitted committing the crime to a priest, a lawyer and others.
In his ruling, Judge Denny Chin of United States District Court in Manhattan noted that federal courts rarely freed prisoners convicted in state criminal cases. But the judge said the New York courts had mistakenly barred testimony about the teenager's admissions.
The result of that error, Judge Chin said, was that the man, Jose Morales, and another inmate, Ruben Montalvo, were imprisoned in 1988 for a crime they did not commit.
Mr. Morales, 30, rushed from the courthouse to a family reunion at his grandmother's apartment in the South Bronx. There, he visited with his 12-year-old son, who was born shortly after he was jailed. It was their first meeting outside a prison visiting room. "He's going back to school next week in Puerto Rico, and I was afraid I wouldn't be home in time to see him," Mr. Morales said.
In making his decision, Judge Chin noted that he had the advantage of testimony from two extraordinary sources who came forward recently — a Roman Catholic priest and a former public defender. They said they had been told by the teenager, Jesus Fornes, that he had committed the crime and that Mr. Morales and Mr. Montalvo had not been involved.
Even so, Judge Chin said, the state courts rejected testimony from two other witnesses who had told essentially the same story. If evidence from those first witnesses had been available at the trial in 1988, "surely the jury would have found reasonable doubt," the judge ruled.
He said the new witnesses — the priest, the Rev. Joseph Towle, and the lawyer, Stanley Cohen — completely sealed the matter. "If Fornes's statements to Father Towle and Cohen are included," the judge said, "it is difficult to imagine that any reasonable jury could find Morales guilty beyond a reasonable doubt."
After Mr. Fornes died in 1997, the priest and the lawyer independently decided that they could reveal what he had told them about the case.
The judge rejected arguments from a Bronx prosecutor, Allen P. W. Karen, that Mr. Morales not be released, saying that the prosecutor had misstated parts of the evidence. He ordered Mr. Morales's immediate release and invited lawyers for Mr. Montalvo to submit papers making a similar request.
Later, speaking by phone, Mr. Morales said that as he was driven to the Bronx by his brother-in-law Scott Fowler, he looked out at a city transformed since he last saw it in late 1988: "A lot of new scenery, new buildings, the Bronx is totally different. I don't see abandoned buildings. No graffiti on the wall anymore."
The landscape of his own life had changed as well. His son had grown. His sister Maria, a nurse, is expecting her first child. Mr. Morales entered prison shortly after he turned 18. Since then, he has earned two associate's degrees in prison education programs. He said he was about 14 credits short of a bachelor's degree in psychology, and intended to continue his studies.
He had no regrets, he said, over turning down an attractive plea deal. In 1988, the Bronx district attorney's office offered to drop the charge of second-degree murder if Mr. Morales pleaded guilty to reckless endangerment.
"I would only have had to serve one and a half to three years," Mr. Morales said. "If I had to do it all over again, I still would not take the plea. I had nothing to do with this."
The same prosecutor who made the plea offer in 1988 yesterday urged Judge Chin to keep Mr. Morales behind bars until the end of his 15-year term.
Mr. Morales was represented yesterday by Jeffrey Pittell and Randa Maher. Apart from his family, Mr. Morales said he had been supported in his appeals by a social worker, Joel Freedman of Canandaigua, N.Y.
The case began with the murder of Jose Antonio Rivera, late on the evening of Sept. 28, 1987. Mr. Rivera was chased through Kelly Park in the Bronx by a group of teenagers he had been feuding with. He was stabbed and hit with a baseball bat and sticks.
His girlfriend, who had been drinking with Mr. Rivera, was the sole witness against Mr. Morales. In the chaos of a mob attack at night, Judge Chin noted, "it would hardly be surprising if the witness made a mistake when she identified Morales in a lineup a few days later."
After hearing Judge Chin's decision yesterday, Mr. Rivera's daughter Wanda Rivera-Mora sobbed on a bench outside the courtroom. She said Mr. Morales and Mr. Montalvo had been positively identified by the girlfriend.
"Now they're the victims?" Mrs. Rivera said. "We were the victims. My father was brutally murdered by them."
She said that while she accepted that Mr. Fornes was involved in the killing, she did not believe that his admission exonerated Mr. Morales and Mr. Montalvo. She also was angry at Father Towle, and said it had taken him two days last week to respond to messages from her family requesting a meeting. "What kind of priest is this?" she asked.
Father Towle said he understood the Rivera family's anger, and would pray for them in hopes of reconciliation. He noted that he had not broken the seal of the confession, a point Judge Chin also made in his decision. "I was repeating — not revealing — what Jesus Fornes had stated," the priest said. "It was the most redeeming moment of this boy's life."
Mr. Morales also said he was sorry for the Riveras' anguish. "I feel sympathy to them," he said. "They lost a loved one. I don't believe that he deserved to die."
In his ruling, Judge Chin said Mr. Fornes had told at least four people that he was tormented with guilt over the convictions.
"The driving force behind Fornes's decision to come forward and to place himself at risk was the guilt he felt because two innocent young men had been convicted of, and were in prison for, the crime that he had committed," the judge wrote. "It is precisely this motivation that gives his statements the ring of truth, even so many years later."
In January 1989, shortly before Mr. Morales and Mr. Montalvo were to be sentenced, Mr. Fornes asked Father Towle to visit him at home. With his parents in another room, the priest said, Mr. Fornes admitted that he had been part of the group that had killed Mr. Rivera, but he insisted that Mr. Morales and Mr. Montalvo were innocent.
Father Towle said he urged him to go to court and tell the truth about what happened, and Mr. Fornes did, on the scheduled day of the sentencing. He spoke with one of the defense lawyers, and the sentencing was postponed. In the meantime, Mr. Fornes found a lawyer of his own, who advised him not to talk.
As a result, only secondhand accounts of Mr. Fornes's admissions were presented to the court, and at the urging of prosecutors, these were rejected as legally inadequate.
Through multiple appeals, the state courts upheld that ruling, "basically rubber-stamping what the trial court did," Mr. Morales said.
Judge Chin had turned down an earlier version of the petition by Mr. Morales for a writ of habeas corpus, the federal courts' civil authority to release prisoners who are held on state charges. Judge Chin was instructed by the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit to hold a hearing on Father Towle's testimony. The case will automatically be reviewed by the appeals court, and the judge has not yet ruled on whether Mr. Morales can be tried again.
Although thousands of prisoners come to the federal court with such last-hope petitions, only a handful are granted. "This case," said Judge Chin, "is the needle in the haystack."
link http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/25/nyregion/25PRIE.html?todaysheadlines
Just an FYI
Yeru
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Christmas Star = Satan?!
by reagan_oconnor ini was talking with my husband the other day about the jw's belief that the "christmas star" that guided the magi to christ was the doings of satan.
he didn't believe me; this is what i found in the "my book of bible stories" (copied verbatim from cd-rom).
who do you think made that new star to shine?
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Will this make it four pages?
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The dishonesty of a JW poster
by Seeker inin the "what's wrong w/jw's" thread, godrules is trying to defend the wts.
when godrules asked for "facts" that show jws are wrong, among the respondants was alanf.
alanf linked to his essay showing the dishonest way the creation book quotes evolutionists.
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"Facts are irrelevant"YERUSALYIM
"Vanity! It's my favorite sin!"
[Al Pacino as Satan, in "DEVIL'S ADVOCATE"]