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  Who are these elders???

  by freakshow in

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  having only started to study with a jw she has yet to inform me of these elders, the book she gave me says a little, but after reading this board i see there is more i have yet to learn.

  who are these elders?

  i'm picturing a bunch of old men in velvet purple robes sitting around a circular table.

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  zev

  and lest we forget.....

  some, i say some of them, are child molesters.

  Gramps
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  Now feeling the pain of sitting on the pickets class.
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  ARENT WE ALL A BIT BITTER?

  by josephus in

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  i cant help but think some of you guys are just tooooo angry for your past hurts.. weve all got terrible stories which can make us cry, but whats the motivation for such bitterness ?.

  some people search out pervets, seemingly to lay these scumbags and their faults at the societys door.. others try to use thier bad times as an excuse to rubbish the entire religion.. i am not saying that jws are great, or that the society is perfect or undeserving of punishment.. but why are we not trying to even up the good points of the religion.. no smoking, no drugs, no abortion, on and on, and on.. and then try to remember the good times you all had at the meetings.

  the laughs and the help you gave, and received.

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  zev

  yes, and when things are revealed about your "mother" like the things revealed about the wtbts "mother", and after the faith that "we" put in her as "gods channel" on earth, ...

  we have every damn right to be bitter!

  Gramps
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  Secret Posters Hedging Their Bets?

  by Englishman in

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  since i found sites like this on the internet i have been constantly amazed at the great number of people who post here and yet do this in secret.. so many people seem to be trapped in a situation where they desperately want to leave the jw religion behind.

  so many people seem to be unable to do so for fear of losing their families, fearing that a da'ing or df'ing decree will separate them from the people that they love.

  some posters are even elders and ministerial servants.. so, can you guys tell me how you manage to lead a life that is so complex?

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  zev

  englishman roared

  Since I found sites like this on the internet I have been constantly amazed at the great number of people who post here and yet do this in secret.

  
  ok, I fall into that catagory.

  then you asked...

  So, can you guys tell me how you manage to lead a life that is so complex? It must be worse than being a spy in a foreign country, every move, every word having to be considered carefully?

  with extreme difficulty. having told my wife what i felt, some of what i knew, her reaction is if you don't one you cant have both. another words our relationship is based on pure dubdom. so if i want out, its out of my marriage and dubdom. ridiculous. absured.

  and every word, action, must be watched ever so carefully. even if i'm surfing the net, i'm almost being watched over my shoulder as she doesn't trust me anymore, thinking that everything i've come to know has come from the net. well, that just isn't true. what i learned came from 2 great books, with the proof i needed to satisfy me. if it all came from the net, i'd have a reason to "doubt" what i would be reading. however after reading the "proof" and then seeing what i saw on the net, here, and in other places, all that it did was solidify everything.
  you then pondered:...

  Is it possible that this subterfuge is actually more damaging to your long term relationships than a dub DA'ing or DF'ing? Would it not be a tremendous relief to get it out in the open? How many posters, I wonder, really believe that the teachings of JW's are fairly OK, but have a quarrel with the WTBTS?

  
  yes, ultimately, very damaging. at this point in my life, i see no other alternative however, than to continue in the subterfuge, and lead...ironically enough, a double life. the relief from getting it out in the open will come soon enough. but yes, i would find great relief in telling EVERY dub i know exactly how the wtbts has lied, and been deceiptful to them all these years. i believe some of the dubs teachings are ok, and even if a little off, acceptable. not all of them however. but my real problem is the wtbts, and the leadership. my belief has always been, lead by example. if we were to follow the example of the wtbts leaders, would not the majority be da'ed or df'ed as a result of following the "wonderfull" example they set forth? although imperfect, and i realize that fact, i have always expected more from a leadership claiming to be gods earthly channel for humankind. was i ever wrong.

  there you have it my friend. your questions are valid. i'm not sure what "hedging your bets" means, but if thats what i'm doing, so be it.

  have a pint on me, will ya?

  Gramps
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  zev
  Now feeling the pain of sitting on the pickets class.
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  Hippikon!!!

  by LDH in

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  how is mrs. hipp?

  have you found out the sex of the baby yet?.

  i'm considering getting a t-shirt made that says "yes, i know what it is!

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  or like my daughter in laws doctor said...

  i'm 50% sure its a boy.

  he was right.

  Gramps
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  Now feeling the pain of sitting on the pickets class.
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  So...?

  by zev in

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  if the borg don't have the truth....who does?.

  a question i've been pondering since learning of the deceiptfull ways of the borg.

  once one has the "knowledge" of good and bad, as it were, that the borg are/have lied to its followers, been deceiptfull, misused others quotations to suit thier purpose, and misapplied them, as so very well brought to us by maximus{which by the way, max, have you posted your story anywhere on the forum?

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  interesting thought ginny

  Gramps
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  Now feeling the pain of sitting on the pickets class.
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  So...?

  by zev in

  1. jw
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  if the borg don't have the truth....who does?.

  a question i've been pondering since learning of the deceiptfull ways of the borg.

  once one has the "knowledge" of good and bad, as it were, that the borg are/have lied to its followers, been deceiptfull, misused others quotations to suit thier purpose, and misapplied them, as so very well brought to us by maximus{which by the way, max, have you posted your story anywhere on the forum?

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  If the Borg don't have the truth....who does?

  a question i've been pondering since learning of the deceiptfull ways of the borg.

  once one has the "knowledge" of good and bad, as it were, that the borg are/have lied to its followers, been deceiptfull, misused others quotations to suit thier purpose, and misapplied them, as so very well brought to us by maximus{which by the way, max, have you posted your story anywhere on the forum? I'd love to know more about you.}one has to ask him/her self, what else is there? what is the "way", the "truth"?

  just a few questions that i'm pondering as i continue to read ray's second book, in search of christian freedom.

  i'd love to hear your thoughts.

  Gramps
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  zev
  Now feeling the pain of sitting on the pickets class.
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  POLL - Elders vs Molesters

  by Amazing in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i wish to conduct a legitimate poll, or at least as legitimate as it can get on this forum.

  unless you are or were a jw, please do not respond or make comments.

  please simply give an answer, without extended comments.

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  zev

  3 {three}

  Gramps
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  Now feeling the pain of sitting on the pickets class.
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  JUSTICE #15 - Parking Lot DFing

  by Amazing in

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  parking lot disfellowshipping .

  [i have changed the sequence of the justice series.

  i will post the other titles later.].

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  yeah me too...
  when i come here, i look for the stories posted by amazing first.

  great stuff you right, love the way you detail the storys.

  i look foward to many more.

  Gramps
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  zev
  Now feeling the pain of sitting on the pickets class.
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  WTS SAYS ELDERS SINS DON'T COUNT!

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sometime ago i posted a discussion on h20 about the nov. 1991 kingdom ministry school for elders / ms held at woodburn, oregon.

  during that school session the co stated that elders who commit a serious sin, even a gross sin, did not have to be removed if the event took place two or three years prior, and the elder continued to be respected, giving evidence of jehovahs blessing.

  the co stipulated that this only applied to elders and ms and not to regular publishers.

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  zev

  maybe this is the reason child molesters go unpunished an continue to serve in full capacity in the congregations.

  while STILL molesting childern.

  and this they call, having gods holy spirit?

  i think, NOT!

  Gramps
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  a friend lost

  by zev in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  on thursday, the 21st, i lost a dear friend.. he was an older man, some 25 years older than me.

  he was not a dub.

  we became friends over 10 years ago because of a mutual hobby, that of ham radio, or amateur radio if you prefer.

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  zev

  On Thursday, the 21st, I lost a dear friend.
  he was an older man, some 25 years older than me. he was NOT a dub. we became friends over 10 years ago because of a mutual hobby, that of ham radio, or amateur radio if you prefer. we belonged to a club and we saw things differently than the rest. he left the club, as did I and many others. we had something in common there. the reason this loss will take its toll, and the reason I will miss him so, is because, every day for the better part of 6 years or more, we always had and interesting chat on the radio. everyday for the last 4 years, it was a regular thing, seeing as how my trip home was an hour drive, to find us on the radio talking about anything and everything. we had other common interests also, radio, computers, and various other hobbies. 6 months ago his health started to fail. when ever he needed anything, and it was rare, I told him, say the word, its not a problem. and yes, I would rearrange a thing or two to accommodate him. why? because that's what friends are for. no if's no ands and no buts. there was no stipulations, no demands...just being the friends we were, even with the large gap in our ages. when he called me and said, come over, I need you to move my computers, I went right away. I knew then the outlook was grim, but he was always hopeful, always had the positive approach, even after being admitted this last time to the hospital, the final time, he thought he would get out and take up other hobbies to pass the time and keep him busy. the cancer got him first however. I was glad I made the frequent trips to the hospital to see him, rather than just radio chat. he was too week for that. and the last time I saw him was Wednesday night. I knew it was the last. on Thursday morning his girlfriend called me at work to tell me that he had passed away. it was not a shock. she asked if I would be a pall bearer for him. of course I said yes. tonight I went to his wake, and tomorrow I will go to his funeral. although a horrible thing to say, I find relief in the fact that he is no longer suffering in so much pain as he was. I will miss him dearly. those long drives home will never be quite the same.

  good bye my friend.
  until we meet again.

  Gramps
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  zev
  Now feeling the pain of sitting on the pickets class.