daddy, why did we have to attack iraq?.
questions and answers about foreign policy (and the u.s. invasion of iraq).
anyway, saddam hussein came to power through a military coup, so he's not really a legitimate leader anyway.
Q Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?
A Because it was there.
OK settle down I was just joking!
Simon, what's with all of the Anti-American crap?
It's not like we go around calling Brits Bitter Colonialist has-beens who are jealous they can no longer enslave the planet and rape its resources, let alone fend off a German meglomaniac. Quite the contrary, we love you man... or mate...I mean chap.
well my folks seem determined to drive what remains of their family right off the cliff!
i should have known better, but after enduring various insults after explaining why i won't attend the memorial, i too off the gloves.
i threw the un scandal into the mix.
It was a typo. It was supposed to read "The Truth unties families"
i pertain to a congregation in the orange county.
from the ages of around 5-16 i went to all the meetings etc etc.
i am currently 18 years of age, although i am not the ''ideal'' christain boy, i have strong faith in jehova.
Hi Kozmit, and welcome!
Let me just say your opinion is welcome. However, unless you make decisions on a purely emotional or philosophical level, you are going to have to deal with the facts....someday. Here on this board people tend to be pretty tolerant of anyones ideas and beliefs. BUT if you hope to convince anyone hear that what you say is valid, you must address the glaring inconsistancies, scandals and doctrinal gymnastics employed by 'The Society'.
Sure, most people in the hall are 'good people'. So are most people in general (yes it's true).
So are you ready to Play Ball, or are you just hoping to validate your intuitions ? (Here's the wind-up.... the pitch... it's a fast-ball.... the batter swings and - ?)
For decades 'The Society' has taught the UN was the "image of the wild beast". In June 1992, the WT article "Their refuge the lie" blasted Chistendom for it's "extensive involvement" with the UN. In ppg 10-11 it cites 24 Catholic NGO (Non-Governmental Organization) affiliates with the UN. The article concludes by reaffirming Christendom's destiny of destructiuon and contrasts that with the WT's seperation from the world.
Low and behold, 11 years later a London Journalist discovers "The Society' was secretly affiliated with the UN in the exact same NGO program that warrants Christendom's destruction.
Q) Care to comment on that?
30 years a watchtower slave
the rutherford plan
when william j. schnell joined the bible students in the early 1920?s, the group he joined was a place where they found "a goodly measure of brotherly love and happiness in fellowshipping.
There was a rumor at my hall that this author, on his deathbed, asked for his former Elders to visit him. At this visit, supposedly, he repents, begs them for forgiveness, and pleads to be reinstated. The Elders are said to have replied "Whether or not you are forgiven we will not say, we are going to have to let Jehovah decide on that" and then walk out.
Sounds like a JW Urban Legend in the making.
well my folks seem determined to drive what remains of their family right off the cliff!
i should have known better, but after enduring various insults after explaining why i won't attend the memorial, i too off the gloves.
i threw the un scandal into the mix.
Blondie,
Although what you say is likely true for many, my folks became witnesses later in life. I've seen them go from a relatively normal couple to judgemental pessimistic and miserable. Who knows, maybe they were predesposed to that all along.
well my folks seem determined to drive what remains of their family right off the cliff!
i should have known better, but after enduring various insults after explaining why i won't attend the memorial, i too off the gloves.
i threw the un scandal into the mix.
Blondie: In the end, I had to acknowledge and protect myself from the danger they presented to ME emotionally and spiritually. I felt so much better when I started protecting myself from their attacks...
Sadly, I have begun to "write them off". They're not the same people they once were. Were it not for a younger sibling I would probably have little to do with them.
well my folks seem determined to drive what remains of their family right off the cliff!
i should have known better, but after enduring various insults after explaining why i won't attend the memorial, i too off the gloves.
i threw the un scandal into the mix.
Well my folks seem determined to drive what remains of their family right off the cliff! I should have known better, but after enduring various insults after explaining why I won't attend the memorial, I too off the gloves. I threw the UN scandal into the mix. My mom doubted it's accuracy so I gave her the proof right from the UN website. The converstaion ended with her disgusted by my explaination for not believing the witnesses.
Today I speak with my father. After some small talk he feels compelled to inform me that I am an apparent threat. I asked why? He proceeds to tell me that due to my thinking they feel I am a threat. I guess I always knew, but I felt amazed that people could feel so threatened simply by the someone elses thoughts or opinions. I believe it's not fear, but discrimination that is instilled into witnesses. The Society is constantly reinforcing the idea that "they are the only ones" doing God's will. All others are somehow being mislead by Satan.
In a futile last ditch I reason with him that my relationship and "thinking" were between me and God. I cautioned him on placing a human organization above family. No amount of reason will penetrate. He brought up a document that Mormons allegedly used to try to win favor with the Nazi's. I asked him what should this make a Mormon conclude? "That God's spirit is not with this religion". I noted the similar language in the "Declaration of facts" that the Society used to try to win favor with the Nazi's. Somehow this did not qualify - human imperfection.
Over the years their family ties have slowly withered away. Sure the void is filled by equally destitute JW's at the hall. Their common sufferings actually make them more insular and dependant on their group. And incredibly, they feel they are being attacked!!
It's too bad, mostly for them. They are going to be strung along by this publishing company till the day they die.
Oh well, just venting, Thanks for listening
does anyone know where i can find some society articles advising jw's to avoid association with worldly family members or worldly people in general?
i search around a bit, but all i could find online was to shun df/da people.
Blondi,
Thanks again, that's exactly what I was looking for. My computer is not up and running at home or I would do the research myself.
Love ya, -FW
does anyone know where i can find some society articles advising jw's to avoid association with worldly family members or worldly people in general?
i search around a bit, but all i could find online was to shun df/da people.
You're the bomb Blondie!
I thought there were some KM's too that got into more detail about relatives -?
does anyone know where i can find some society articles advising jw's to avoid association with worldly family members or worldly people in general?
i search around a bit, but all i could find online was to shun df/da people.
Does anyone know where I can find some Society articles advising JW's to avoid association with worldly family members or worldly people in general? I search around a bit, but all I could find online was to shun DF/DA people.
