This should work...
Go to your local library with cash. Speak to the Librarian about donating to the library to purchase these two books. Wala! Now you can sneak off and read them at your leasure.
FreeWilly
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What is your experience as to buying Crisis of Conscience?
by Goldminer in.
i've read a few very interesting stories about people's experiences when they decided to purchase coc.i'd like to share mine and read yours also.. in 1999,not long after we purchased our first computer i started reading material about jw's.before long,i got really interested in the ray franz story because even up here in northern ontario,i had heard about the apostasy of 1980.in the fall of '99 my wife decide to take a college course(bucking the jw trend),and she would stay at her sister's place during the week.one day i called a christian book store to see if they could get me this book.i was very nervous,changed my name and i wouldn't give them my phone number.i told them i'd call back in a few weeks to make sure they had it before i went in to pick it up.. when the day came,i picked up my courage by two hands and took off for my 40 mile drive to get my book.the book store is located in a small shopping mall,which had me really nervous that another jw might see me going in or out of the store.i walked in the mall looking around,making sure there was nobody in sight that i knew.when i walked in the store,i had cash ready in my hands,walked up to the counter,gave my fake name and the book i was purchasing.now i just had to walk and make it to the car and i was home free.. i know buying a book isn't that hard,i do it all the time,but at that time the implicationsof having this book in my possesion was tremendous.. anyways,it's been 5 1/2 years and still nobody here knows.the book has really opened my eyes and mind to the realities of the wts.i would definitely recommend this book to everyone here who has yet to read it.it's worth the effort to acquire it and will take away your fear of the watchdollar.
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Earthquake: Attention to all the people in California etc.
by Erich inattention to all people in california etc.. earthquakes have a peculiar attribute: they appear on different point of the planet within very short times.
nobody knows why; but its a proven fact.. at dec. 22 this week (on wednesday) a very strong earthquake appered in the antarctic region (8,2 on richter scale).
if you are not aware of, look at:.
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FreeWilly
Actually Erich is correct about the observed phenomenon of large Earthquakes triggering other Earthquakes. I would't go so far as calling it a "proven fact" but there appears to have substance.
The article is an observational study of a phenomenon called earthquake triggering, where seismic waves from one earthquake cause other earthquakes to take place, sometimes thousands of kilometers away if the triggering quake is large. http://www.memphis.edu/releases/feb04/nature.html
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I need three good questions!
by Dansk in.
if it were possible to get a jw to actually listen to us, which three good questions do you reckon might get him/her to sit down and think?
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FreeWilly
Q. With all of the doctrinal changes and false predictions , DO YOU REALLY think Jehovah is going to kill Billions of people for not buying into it?
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Faithful and Discreet Slave "class"
by snbdye2000 ini have a question as to who the wtbts teaches is the faithful and discreet slave.
i am not a jw, never have been.
my husband though is reading a lot of their books and such.
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FreeWilly
can't you just promise to give him blow jobs ..........I told him right up front, if he ever considered it, plan on losing half of everything because i would divorce him. LOL.
BJ's or divorce.... hmmmm...... that's a no brainer!
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Faithful and Discreet Slave "class"
by snbdye2000 ini have a question as to who the wtbts teaches is the faithful and discreet slave.
i am not a jw, never have been.
my husband though is reading a lot of their books and such.
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FreeWilly
I'm sorry to hear your plight snbdye. I'm not too sure what to suggest. He seems determined and the JW snake on the other end seems content to spoon feed him their fantasy world story.
Is there any chance you could get him to discuss it here? Maybe having a dialog with some of the folks here can at least get him to think about a few things. Just a thought.
In case you didn't know, this site is mainly frequented by ex-JW's who have found their way out of this harmful group. Lots of experience and insight here.
Tell him I'd like to ask him a question about his study with the JW's. He can PM me here or just post a message.
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Faithful and Discreet Slave "class"
by snbdye2000 ini have a question as to who the wtbts teaches is the faithful and discreet slave.
i am not a jw, never have been.
my husband though is reading a lot of their books and such.
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FreeWilly
You should agree with him and tell him that, yes, that does seem to be what the Bible teaches - everyone can be a faithful and discrete slave if they act accordingly. But warn him that JW's will try to convince you otherwise.
You need to get a good book on JW's for him. I'm not sure of the Best one to suggest (maybe someone else can), BUT get someting you and he can reference. I recommend one that does not argue from an alternate religious viewpoint. Just somethin nuetral that uncovers all of their predictions, whacky teachings and destructive family policies.
This is very serious. If your husband becomes a JW it WILL mean bad things for your marriage, family and friends. Do not be complacent, do your research. Make sure you accompany your husband on any Bible studies he has with them. Ask the tough questions. Bring a JW expose' book so you have references on hand.
Here are a couple of Doosies you can ask:
Is it true that the Watchtower Society disfellowshipped people who spoke out against fellow JW's who had molested them? (there are numerous reputable News articles and reports detailing this)
How many times did the Watchtower predict the End of the world would come on a certain date? (try to get a number out of them. They will try to imply "never", but then show your hubby just how many times they did).
Do JW's feel that everyone else will be killed by God at Armageddon? (they will try to say "no" or "Only God knows for sure". Then you show your husband what they actually teach from their own literature.)
Just ask the tough questions and let them hang themselves with their own answers. You don't have to refute them right there and then. Just look up the info when it's just you two. Stay active on this board, thee are alot of smart people who can answer just about any question you have about them.
Whatever you do, work hard not to alienate yourself from your husband in any way. Try not to make it seem like a competition or battle of opinions. Remember you two are in this together. Don't let them do anything apart from the both of you. If you start asking the tough questions they will try to convince him, apart from you. He needs you, but just doesn't know it.
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"I noticed you are on a JW site, DID YOU KNOW I AM A JW?????"
by Jez ini was at university the other night in the computer lab, cruising this site, well a fellow classmate who has been in my class since sept and we have become friends, walks past, looks at the site i am on and says, "i noticed you are on a jw site, did you know i am a jw, are you one?".
i was shocked.
i turned to him and let loose,.
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FreeWilly
Gawwd Brown Boy, Doesn't that lingo sound creeepy to you yet?
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Devote Parents advice me to Disassociate.
by chok incan someone explain to me what this is all about.
to those of you who dont know me, i starting fading a year ago now, cant believe just how quick that has gone.
well i separated from my husband, met somebody else, who i have been living for a few months now.
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FreeWilly
I think it's important to remember that YOU are no longer bound to the control tactics of this religion. You do not have to play their silly game. Your parents still do, but that is their choice. I think you should convey this when you speak with your parents.
Maybe point out that they are selling out their family for the sake of a few old men they've never met. Point out that they are more concerned with the congregation members opinions and gossip than that of their own children. It's as if they are asking you to go away so the congregation gossip will be more bearable for them.
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FreeWilly
The Bible shares the same patterns as all other 'Holy' books (i.e the Book of Morman, the Koran, Eastern texts, Summarian texts etc.)
Supernatural events of long-ago in places far, far away.
And just like all of the other religious texts, the generous accounts of fantastic miracles, divine interractions and mystical powers, for some strange reason, cannot be duplicated today...... strange coincidence eh?
I beleive its an oral history sprinkled with mysticism and lore.
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Bad news about the house. : /
by Elsewhere ini have been holding off making a public announcement for awhile because i have been waiting for all of the paperwork to become official... but the company that is building my house has been dragging their feet, trying to delay the inevitable.. the bottom line is this: i won't be able to buy the house.
when i was doing contract work, i was making x amount of money.
i had anticipated a pay cut caused by my becoming a permanent employee, but the pay cut turned out to be more substancial than i had anticipated.
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FreeWilly
Elsewhere,
If I were you I would consider other financing options. For instance, an interest only loan will cut the mortgage payment almost in half. Sure, you are not paying down the principle but if you job situation is only temporary then you can refi when it's better. Also if you keep it 2 years and sell you get to keep any profit on your appreciation tax free. I would do this before I begin renting.