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  Billions of dead, possibly killed by divine radiation, all of whom will need to be buried... Gerrit Losch predicts the future!

  by cedars in

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  i've finally turned my attentions away from anthony morris iii (just for the time being!

  ) and done a video about another governing body member... gerrit losch.. in this video, taken from a 2008 talk (given in sydney, australia), gerrit gives us his grim predictions for the future.... .

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4bl_hzhjzm.

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  "destruction of enemies" .... "billions of people will die"

  billions of people = enemies

  How happifying!
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  All scripture is inspired of god...which scripture?

  by jamesmahon in

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  don't know why but was thinking of 2 timothy 3:16 last night (you know 'all scripture is inspired of god etc').

  i was thinking this scripture is used by the jws as well as others to say that the bible is the word of god.

  however, as the bible is a construct several hundred years after the death of christ each writer was unaware of the bible as a whole.

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  In verse 8 of the same chapter, the author is not quoting anything that is included in the Bible, but it is familiar to his readers.

  Exactly. There was in fact a pseudepigraphal Book of Jannes and Jambres, extant only in fragments today.

  So is the book of Enoch inspired or not? :/

  The author of Jude believed so. He believed he was quoting from what Enoch had "prophesied" (v. 14), and prophecy = inspiration. And he alludes to 1 Enoch in at least three other places in the epistle (v. 6, 12-13, 16). Similarly, he makes reference to the Assumption of Moses as well in v. 9 and echoes it in v. 16. The author of Jude was heavily steeped in parabiblical literature.
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  crumbling architecture.

  by perfect1 in

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  did you ever get the feeling some are really excited to see the world destroyed- going so far as to imagine, gleefully, certain buildings crashing and crumbling down.

  of course this imagery is all over the magazines but i noticed some interalize it to the point of going around imagining their whole town in ruins, and then being delighted with the image, feeling righteous etc.

  was there ever a building you imagined coming down- or can anyone speak to this peculiar feeling some exhibit where they are getting a real kick out of the impending destruction..

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  was there ever a building you imagined coming down

  In 1999, I visited the World Trade Center, and I tried to imagine what it would look like for the Twin Towers to fall down. I already had been to a building implosion and I had a strong interest in architecture. I thought, goodness, those buildings are waaaaay taller than I had imagined, and I can't picture how they could be safely imploded and not damage the surrounding buildings. So for a moment, I tried to visualize the buildings collapsing, but I couldn't picture it. Then two years later, when I saw them collapse in real life on television, I was horrified to see the actual event, and saw the buildings pretty much fall on everything around them.
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  Another point about "between the evenings"

  by WontLeave in

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  according to the footnote on page 28 of bearing thorough witness about gods kingdom:.

  prayers were offered at the temple in conjunction with the morning and evening sacrifices.

  the evening sacrifice was held at the ninth hour, or about three in the afternoon.. this sacrifice is the one ordered in exodus 29:38-42:.

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  Good job. I have also posted on this subject, with even more arguments made to support the traditional understanding:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/209120/1/Why-the-Memorial-Is-Held-on-the-Wrong-Day
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  In Defense of Mormonism- What Do You Think About A Professor's Presentation?

  by Scott77 in

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  september 16, 2012, 5:30 pmwhy i love mormonismby simon critchleyi've spent what is rapidly becoming nine years in new york city.

  it's been a total blast.

  but as a transplanted englishman one thing to which i've become rather sensitive in that time is which prejudices new yorkers are permitted to express in public.

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  The professor is focused mainly on Mormonism as a belief system and a theology, not as a social group with particular rules, norms, roles, practices, and attitudes.
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  Deep thought provoking questions about Satan's description in Ez 28

  by EndofMysteries in

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  it's taught that ezekiel 28 is speaking about satan, the cherub who is covered in gems, was in the garden of eden..... anyway there are a few things that stand out and so far no explanation yet.

  the whole part is ez 28:12-19.. it says he was full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

  he is the annointed cherub 'that is covering'.

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  Leolaia

  What is also interesting is how on a physical sense things foretold in Ezekiel did happen. It said how the literal city of Tyre would be destroyed and the sea would overcome it. It was destroyed and it's underwater now. (It was an Island with large bridges connecting it, what you see as Tyre in modern times is merely the coast of where the bridges once connected to the city)

  No, Ezekiel's prophecy failed. (He even admitted so) He claimed that Nebuchadnezzar would raze the city, throw the rubble into the sea making the island a bare rock, and afterwards the city would never be rebuilt. Wrong on three counts.

  While some of the island subsided, a good portion is still around and is densely inhabited where the old harbor used to be. It is not true that the modern city is only the former coast; what remains of the island is simply connected to the mainland as a peninsula.
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  Is there any evidence for the claim that CTR dismissed JFR from Bethel in early 1915?

  by JWB in

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  evidence for dismissal of joseph rutherford from bethel in 1915?.

  i recently came across a claim, made somewhere on the internet, that charles russell had dismissed joseph rutherford from bethel in 1915:.

  "joseph franklin rutherford (1861-1942): came from a large calvinist family; formerly a small-town lawyer in missouri; at least once appointed to serve as judge in a case; politically active in democratic politics.

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  As mentioned by VM44 we have the Olin Moyle trial reference:

  "Q. Were you present at any meeting when there was a discussion about a thousand dollar loan to Mr. Rutherford? A. In the summer of 1915 Mr. Rutherford had withdrawn from the active work and wrote a letter to Pastor Russell asking if the Society would loan him a thousand dollars, that he was about to set up a law office in Los Angeles. Pastor Russell recommended to the Board that it be loaned him, and so the motion was passed in his favor" (Testimony of Isaac F. Hoskins in the Olin R. Moyle v. Fred Franz, et al., 1943, p. 1567).

  Here is an interview with Cora Sundbom about her memories at Bethel with her father Brother Kuehn; she said that Rutherford had been sent away from Bethel:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztnc6zn_dcE

  The video creator states (I don't know if this is from the interview) that Brother W. A. Baker "personally told me he discharged Rutherford [in] 1915". FWIW.
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  No to Wizard toys! Yes to pagan demigods!

  by Londo111 in

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  from the 8/15/2007 watchtower, page 32:.

  have you ever read some of the iliad or the odyssey, two great epic poems of ancient greece?

  those are thought to have been composed during the ninth or the eighth century b.c.e.

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  what's the thinking of when the earliest-recorded parts of the Torah began to be set into writing (and I realize there are no extant versions of these proto-writings)?

  The oldest parts of the OT date to between the twelfth and tenth centuries BC (the dates vary according to the scholar). Most agree that the Song of the Sea in Exodus 15 (which apparently the redactor misunderstood when he inserted it into the exodus narrative) and the Song of Deborah in Judges 5 are the oldest pieces of literature in the Bible. The Hebrew in these two poems is especially archaic. Note that this pertains to the date when these poems were composed, not necessarily when they were set in writing. Songs can survive relatively unchanged in oral tradition before actually being written down.
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  150 years ago

  by JeffT in

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  sept 17, 1862 remains the bloodiest day in us history.

  you have to wonder what might have been if some one other than mcclellan commanded the army of the potomac.

  for a good read on the subject i suggest "landscape turned red" by stephen sears.

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  The Battle of Antietam ( / æ n ' t i? t ?m / ) also known as the Battle of Sharpsburg, particularly in the South, fought on September 17, 1862, near Sharpsburg, Maryland, and Antietam Creek, as part of the Maryland Campaign, was the first major battle in the American Civil War to take place on Union soil. It was the bloodiest single-day battle in American history, with about 23,000 casualties on both sides.

  It staggers the mind thinking about it. It's the causalties of 9/11 eleven times over. In a US population a fraction the size of what it is now.
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  No to Wizard toys! Yes to pagan demigods!

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
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  from the 8/15/2007 watchtower, page 32:.

  have you ever read some of the iliad or the odyssey, two great epic poems of ancient greece?

  those are thought to have been composed during the ninth or the eighth century b.c.e.

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  I think most of those are examples of inner-biblical quotation and allusion. There are many references in the historiographical books also to sources that are not extant. And a few quotations or references to pseudepigraphal Jewish sources. And of course, there are many references to writing since writing was quite common in the Levant in the first millennium BC.