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  "Millions Now Living Will Never Die"

  by drewcoul in

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  i understand that the judge's book "millions now living will never die" has undergone a slight of hand change of title to "millions now living may never die.".

  where could i find the new title in print in any wt publication?

  i do not have a wt library anymore, and would like to show my mom how they have changed the name of the book in their references to it..

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  Leolaia

  Yeah, and if you look at the Watchtowers from 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, etc., it's 100% the more affirmative "Will Never Die".
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  "Millions Now Living Will Never Die"

  by drewcoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i understand that the judge's book "millions now living will never die" has undergone a slight of hand change of title to "millions now living may never die.".

  where could i find the new title in print in any wt publication?

  i do not have a wt library anymore, and would like to show my mom how they have changed the name of the book in their references to it..

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  Leolaia

  Thanks, Doc, you're right, it was "May Never Die" first; I didn't realize they were using the slogan so early. The earliest mention (at least that I can find) is in the 1 January 1918 Watchtower, where it is "May Never Die".
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  The 1927-1946 "Messenger" CD by request!

  by Atlantis in

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  from one of the friends here:.

  nevada do you still have those messengers with rutherfords pictures?.

  tx.

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  Leolaia

  There's a whopper of a lie in the first two pages:

  "Three or four years later he was earning ten dollars a day as a court reporter and using in that work his own system of shorthand, a great achievement in itself. In that best of all possible law schools he gained an intimacy with law and lawyers, judges and juries, plantiffs and defendants, questions and answers, arguments and phraseology, and soon gravitated naturally into a skillful lawyer with a large and lucrative practice, from that to the bench.... The Judge saw that the one hope of humanity is in the kingdom for which the Lord instructed His disciples to pray, and which Jesus Himself preached and taught His disciples to preach; and, as far back as 1906, when he was still a young man in his thirties, he left the bench, resigned from his law firm, sold his law books, and took to the public platform to tell the people, not about some or any political party, but about the great King that he saw clearly from the Scriptures would begin to oust Satan from his position as the god of this world in events of unparalleled magnitude that would begin in the fall of 1914" (The Messenger, 19 July 1927, pp. 1-2).

  Rutherford did not have a regular position on the bench; he was appointed substitute judge on only four occasions (17 February 1897, 3 June 1899, 15 March 1905, 29 March 1905), and was not a sitting judge in 1906. I don't know if he sold his law books after being baptized in 1906, but he continued to practice law and was admitted to the New York Bar in 1909. And this statement also retrojects Rutherford's post-1925 understanding the significance of 1914 back into the young Rutherford's 1906 mind.
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  The 1927-1946 "Messenger" CD by request!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  from one of the friends here:.

  nevada do you still have those messengers with rutherfords pictures?.

  tx.

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  Leolaia

  Wow, that's incredible!! Thanks Atlantis....now it seems that the only major lacuna left in documentation are the Souvenir Reports from the early 1900s.
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  "Millions Now Living Will Never Die"

  by drewcoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i understand that the judge's book "millions now living will never die" has undergone a slight of hand change of title to "millions now living may never die.".

  where could i find the new title in print in any wt publication?

  i do not have a wt library anymore, and would like to show my mom how they have changed the name of the book in their references to it..

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  Leolaia

  It's "Millions Now Living Will Never Die" in the 15 December 1919 Watchtower and in the 1920 booklet. Those are the earliest references. The variant with "May" occurs in the 1 February 1920 Watchtower with reference to the public work of the British branch. The article I quoted above also claimed that "May" was a British innovation, owing to a kind of conservatism of expression, which did not last long.
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  "Millions Now Living Will Never Die"

  by drewcoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i understand that the judge's book "millions now living will never die" has undergone a slight of hand change of title to "millions now living may never die.".

  where could i find the new title in print in any wt publication?

  i do not have a wt library anymore, and would like to show my mom how they have changed the name of the book in their references to it..

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  Leolaia

  Here is an explanation of why some changed it from "Will" to "May":

  *** w20 10/15 p. 310 European Tour ***

  When this subject was first announced, the British brethren, following their usual course of conservatism, stated it thus: "Millions Now Living May Never Die". But now you can hear every one of them say: "Millions Now Living Will Never Die". Suppose we should be wrong in the chronology and that the kingdom will not be fully set up in 1925. Suppose that we were ten years off, and that it would be 1935 before restitution blessings began. Without a doubt there are now millions of people on the earth who will be living fifteen years from now; and we could with equal confidence say that "Millions Now Living Will Never Die". Whether it be 1925 or 1935, restitution blessings must soon begin, as shown from all the evidence; and when that time comes, all who respond obediently to the new arrangement shall be blessed with life, liberty, and happiness.
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  Any one else like me?

  by braincleaned in

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  i have pioneered every time i possibly could, gave talks... i was a good jw!

  but for over 40 years, i had nagging doubts about the character of god.

  to make a long story short, i'm now a happy atheist!

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  Leolaia

  Is there anyone else out there that can't wrap their mind around those ex JWs that drool over Jesus, and how they found the Lord after leaving?

  I didn't do that but I did attend a few churches after leaving. I found a kind of emotional experience there that was utterly lacking in the congregation. The Kingdom Halls were very sterile places, restrained emotionally, without any deep emotional connection; it was like going to a dry business meeting with talks, presentations, and tutorials. It was very intellectually based, but left me feeling cold. The churches I went to in contrast had warmth, a sense of community of helping each other, of sharing joy and emotion freely and openly. It just felt different and I felt it filled something that I had been hungering for. I could imagine some people go to chuch not for learning "spiritual truths" but for that emotional sense of connection, not just with churchgoers but with the "Creator". Evangelical Christianity places emphasis on having a personal relationship with Jesus. I think some might be attracted to this after feeling a lack of any meaningful emotional connection when a JW.
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  So, Jesus had a wife.....

  by oldlightnewshite in

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  Leolaia

  Here is a draft of the editio princips of the new fragment by Karen King:

  http://www.hds.harvard.edu/sites/hds.harvard.edu/files/attachments/faculty-research/research-projects/the-gospel-of-jesuss-wife/29813/King_JesusSaidToThem_draft_0917.pdf

  Karen King on the text:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlmoILJmH4M
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  Deep thought provoking questions about Satan's description in Ez 28

  by EndofMysteries in

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  2. bible

  it's taught that ezekiel 28 is speaking about satan, the cherub who is covered in gems, was in the garden of eden..... anyway there are a few things that stand out and so far no explanation yet.

  the whole part is ez 28:12-19.. it says he was full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

  he is the annointed cherub 'that is covering'.

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  Leolaia

  Okay, about Tyre. There were two cities, one in the water and one on the shore. The bible says the one in the water would be destroyed and never rebuilt.

  As I already said, the island city is today part of the mainland. Far from being destroyed and never rebuilt, "the city in the water" is now densely populated:

  
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  Billions of dead, possibly killed by divine radiation, all of whom will need to be buried... Gerrit Losch predicts the future!

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've finally turned my attentions away from anthony morris iii (just for the time being!

  ) and done a video about another governing body member... gerrit losch.. in this video, taken from a 2008 talk (given in sydney, australia), gerrit gives us his grim predictions for the future.... .

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4bl_hzhjzm.

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  Leolaia

  I guess this is why Ciro Alucino said that "anti matter" would be used to dispose of the bodies.

  I think this idea was even published in the literature.

  Annihilation of matter with antimatter, on the scale needed to "dispose" of billions of human bodies, would produce massive amounts of gamma ray radiation. Sounds like paradise to me!