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  Proof that Satan is in control of the WT and THAT is why the new change will come.....

  by EndofMysteries in

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  if anybody ever read the two babylons book, it detailed how christianity became corrupt.

  how over time, not on the spot, but slowly changes were implemented, it started with forbidding anybody to read or hold the bible, and only the leader/pope etc could teach, once there was full absolute power, then satan was able to put in anything he wanted to corrupt it all.

  i am not going to list the articles and scriptures, everybody can find those, i'm just going to quickly show from the history to now how it's happened and the proof and what is happening now.

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  Leolaia

  You missed the smirk.

  Like I would think that show gives an accurate reporting of facts. I also watch Storage Wars and Hardcore Pawn, not because I think those are reporting real events at places of business, but because they are fun to watch.
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  Proof that Satan is in control of the WT and THAT is why the new change will come.....

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if anybody ever read the two babylons book, it detailed how christianity became corrupt.

  how over time, not on the spot, but slowly changes were implemented, it started with forbidding anybody to read or hold the bible, and only the leader/pope etc could teach, once there was full absolute power, then satan was able to put in anything he wanted to corrupt it all.

  i am not going to list the articles and scriptures, everybody can find those, i'm just going to quickly show from the history to now how it's happened and the proof and what is happening now.

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  Leolaia

  Leolaia is err , there is a progarma on discovery channel called ghost hunters, which is clearly seen as harass journalists even scratched her back to one of them

  Do you watch the History Channel? They have a show called Ancient Aliens. You should check it out. Very, very convincing. ;)
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  Proof that Satan is in control of the WT and THAT is why the new change will come.....

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if anybody ever read the two babylons book, it detailed how christianity became corrupt.

  how over time, not on the spot, but slowly changes were implemented, it started with forbidding anybody to read or hold the bible, and only the leader/pope etc could teach, once there was full absolute power, then satan was able to put in anything he wanted to corrupt it all.

  i am not going to list the articles and scriptures, everybody can find those, i'm just going to quickly show from the history to now how it's happened and the proof and what is happening now.

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  Leolaia

  Christ Alone....Those are good examples, though they BARELY scratch the surface. The book is a travesty, if you judge it by standards of scholarship. It also had a strong influence on Rutherford. Rutherford wrote a lot of Nimrod and how he created religion, how his mother made people worship him after he died, etc. Nothing about in the Bible. He got it from Hislop.
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  Rutherford's smear campaign (a must read)

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.

  in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.

  he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.

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  Leolaia

  The February 1, 1940 issue of the Watchtower published another resolution from a company in Wisconsin affirming loyalty to the organization:

  

  The magazine also pubished two resolutions from Illinois. The Feb. 1st issue printed the resolution from Rockford company (under Illinois Zone 3) concerning "the activities of the 'evil servant' class in this vicinity" which declares that members of the company "will not enter into discussions or correspondence with those who are bent on justifying themselves in 'slandering their own mother's son' ". The same resolution noted that "this attempt to disrupt the witness work at its source in Brooklyn exactly parallels Satan's attempt in 1917 when the 'evil servant' class so clearly and wickedly manifested itself". Then the Feb. 15th, 1940 issue of the Watchtower published a resolution adopted on October 8th, 1939 by the Chicago Central unit (under Illinois Zone 1) which states that "we greatly appreciated the privilege of assembling with Brother Howlett on October 1, 1939, to be further enlightened concerning the perils of the present day, and the attempts made to cause division among the Lord's people" and that "Satan, the chief enemy, is using men as his instruments in fighting against God's people, whether said men be operating from without the organization or within".
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  Proof that Satan is in control of the WT and THAT is why the new change will come.....

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if anybody ever read the two babylons book, it detailed how christianity became corrupt.

  how over time, not on the spot, but slowly changes were implemented, it started with forbidding anybody to read or hold the bible, and only the leader/pope etc could teach, once there was full absolute power, then satan was able to put in anything he wanted to corrupt it all.

  i am not going to list the articles and scriptures, everybody can find those, i'm just going to quickly show from the history to now how it's happened and the proof and what is happening now.

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  Leolaia

  Satan is an idea. A powerful idea like many other ideas, but I see no proof presented here that Satan is more than an idea.

  If anybody ever read the two babylons book, it detailed how christianity became corrupt.

  That book is ridiculous.
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  Rutherford's smear campaign (a must read)

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.

  in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.

  he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.

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  Leolaia

  I kind of wonder how much the Salter affair affected Rutherford's reaction to Moyle.

  Salter had similarly written a letter to Rutherford that made accusations about his character (including issues of drinking and discrimination). Salter then carried out a campaign against the Society. If you recall, he actually had copies of his letter mailed out with issues of the Watchtower to subscribers. I think Rutherford saw Moyle as "another Salter" and decided to strike fast. Rutherford railed against Salter for years....the April 15th 1939 issue of the Watchtower even has a "study article" entirely devoted to showing how Salter fulfilled Bible prophecy as the antitype of Achan in a "prophetic drama" from the OT. Here is a small sample to illustrate:

  "This part of the prophetic drama occurred immediately following the siege of Jericho, and applies in the fulfillment after 1931, and more particularly after 1933, after which the march around the antitypical Jericho had begun...It was about 1933 or shortly thereafter that one occupying a position of responsibility in the Lord's organization, and who was aided and abetted by some of his personal admirers, tried to gain something for selfish reasons.... Note how accurately the drama pictures what has come to pass in modern times: Particularly from or after 1933 some have taken a course similar to that of Achan by marching around the modern Jericho of Satan's organization ... but after doing so for a season yield to temptation which arises from something appearing in Satan's organization....The Society's former servant who had taken the wrongful course, when all the evidence proving his guilt was laid before him, then and there promised that he would write a letter to all the consecrated throughout the earth acknowledging his wrong and asking their forgiveness. Not only did he fail to keep that promise, but within a short time he took exactly the opposite course by sending letters throughout the earth condemning the Lord's organization on earth and many individuals connected therewith" (pp. 116-124).

  The funny thing is that Rutherford's reaction is that it is what pushed Moyle to break with the Society and publicize the letter.

  Leo, no comment on the theocractic angle of whether it's likely that Rutherford considered the Bethel family (or even the Legal Dept) as part of the Society, and hence as possibly covered by the FWS parable, needing to show "discretion"? I think that's actually more compelling than even the legal angle....

  It is interesting. I don't know if it has anything to do with the NWT choice of wording, but it does have a resonance.

  BTW, I had to laugh when I saw this:

  *** w50 4/15 p. 122 par. 10 Divine Requirements Resting on Servants ***
  
  In his letter of instructions to Titus the apostle Paul gave similar advice concerning those that should be given the responsibility of caring for the flock of God on the island of Crete. “My reason for leaving you in Crete,” writes Paul, “was that you might put in order what had been left unsettled, and appoint Officers of the Church in the various towns, as I myself directed you. They are to be men of irreproachable [qualities], who are faithful husbands, whose children are Christians and have never been charged with dissolute conduct or have been unruly. For a Presiding-Officer, as God’s steward, ought to be a man of irreproachable [qualities]; not self-willed or quick-tempered, nor addicted to drink or to brawling or to questionable money-making. On the contrary, he should be hospitable, eager for the right, discreet, upright, a man of holy life and capable of self-restraint, who holds doctrine that can be relied on as being in accordance with the accepted Teaching; so that he may be able to encourage others by sound teaching, as well as to refute our opponents.”—Titus 1:5-9, 20th Cen. New Test.

  I should also point out it was a jury trial. But the judge did say that the August 8th reading of the letter was a publication; he left it to the jury to decide if that was sufficient grounds for the plaintiff meeting his burden of proof.
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  Was the Watchtower Right?

  by Christ Alone in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this question is for atheists and believers.

  what teachings do you think the watchtower got right and why?

  do you still think they are right about the trinity?

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  Leolaia

  Probably the only thing worth keeping from the JW approach is the emphasis on the physicality of the resurrection. Lots of otherwise orthodox Christians think they believe in something like the immortality of the soul, when what they believe in is the resurrection of the body. Of course, the resurrection of the body is based on the belief that Jesus was raised, which is something that JWs reject.

  The JWs don't even believe in resurrection, much less the resurrection of the body. They teach that nothing of the original body is raised again in the resurrection. They go further to deny any sort of continuity between the person who died and the person who is raised. The latter is rather a facsimile of the person who died.

  And there are many Christians who believe in a corporeal resurrection, such as Bishop N. T. Wright.
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  Do JWs really notice significant doctrinal change?

  by keyser soze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all of these threads about the 'new light' regarding the fds has got me wondering.

  as ex-jws, we've trained ourselves to notice such things.

  we tend to treat them as if they're of great significance, even convey a certain level of optimism that it will actually wake some up, make some think, even lead to some sort of mass revolution within the ranks.. do rank-and-file jws really see any significance, or is it just wishful thinking?

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  Leolaia

  I remember in 1988 and 1989 I was out in field service and sat in on a "Bible" study (of course really a "Live Forever" book study) and then later everyone in the service group got together and we were talking about our field experiences and I mentioned in passing how outdated "old light" was being presented at the study, and Mr. Serious-'n'-Zealous elder reacted incredulously to me and said, "Where?" and I told him, it was in the Watchtower, didn't you see it? They totally changed the Sodom and Gomorrah teaching, I said, and he had a huge bookcase stuffed with magazines, so I went through it, found the issue, and showed him the new light. He was pretty damn surprised.
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  Type/Antitype John the Baptist/Charles Taze Russell..... Slave/Rutherford/Knorr/GB?

  by Theocratic Sedition in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  last night i got to thinking about all that type and antitype foolishness, and how with these latest changes they've essentially thrown russell under the bus.

  do you think the type/antitype belief system possibly brought about this latest change in understanding?

  according to the notes on this latest change, russell was not the faithful & discreet slave, however just like john the baptist, he was the one forshadowing someone that would turn out to be larger in scope.

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  Leolaia

  They already have taught something similar with respect to Elijah and Elisha.

  Now they are saying things like Russell harvested grain and kneaded the dough but Rutherford, et al. baked the bread.... (from the Annual Meeting)
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  BILL NYE (the Science Guy) on Creationism

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/24/bill-nye-creationism-science_n_1908926.html.

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  bill nye (the science guy) wonders aloud how creationism can provide anything but confusion..

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  Leolaia

  

  All the waaaaaaaaaay down, dude.