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  Jesus had to have been born 4 to 10 BCE or history is incorrect.....

  by EndofMysteries in

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  i was looking up some unrelated things and came upon this.

  herod the great(who jesus was hid from), herod archelaus(after he began rule jesus returned to nazareth), and herod antipas(who killed john the baptist).

  when herod the great died, those two sons from all historical sources are showing to have ruled from 4bc onwards.

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  Leolaia

  These give precedence to the Matthean birth narrative. As is well-known, the two nativity accounts are irreconcilable. I am convinced that the Lukan narrative presumes a different chronology entirely and places Jesus' birth in AD 6 and his death in AD 36. The author was probably dependent on Josephus and this scheme fits well with the chronology of Herod Antipas in Josephus. On this view, the Herod of Luke 1:5 was not Herod the Great but Archelaus.
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  Saved By the Bell JW Co-Star in People Magazine

  by turtleturtle in

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  Leolaia

  I was gonna ask the same thing.
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  Epimenides paradox: "Epimenides The Cretan Says, "All Cretans are Liars"

  by frankiespeakin in

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  thomas fowler (1869) states the paradox as follows: "epimenides the cretan says, 'that all the cretans are liars,' but epimenides is himself a cretan; therefore he is himself a liar.

  but if he be a liar, what he says is untrue, and consequently the cretans are veracious; but epimenides is a cretan, and therefore what he says is true; saying the cretans are liars, epimenides is himself a liar, and what he says is untrue.

  thus we may go on alternately proving that epimenides and the cretans are truthful and untruthful."[1].

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  Leolaia

  LOL. Now if Michio Kaku can devise an equation to predict what is said in Wibble, that might unlock the secret to the cosmos.
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  Epimenides paradox: "Epimenides The Cretan Says, "All Cretans are Liars"

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  thomas fowler (1869) states the paradox as follows: "epimenides the cretan says, 'that all the cretans are liars,' but epimenides is himself a cretan; therefore he is himself a liar.

  but if he be a liar, what he says is untrue, and consequently the cretans are veracious; but epimenides is a cretan, and therefore what he says is true; saying the cretans are liars, epimenides is himself a liar, and what he says is untrue.

  thus we may go on alternately proving that epimenides and the cretans are truthful and untruthful."[1].

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  Leolaia

  Futurism is his bread-and-butter.
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  New calibration method for radiocarbon dating

  by konceptual99 in

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  http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22396-muddy-lake-bed-holds-radiocarbon-rosetta-stone.html.

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  Leolaia

  Looking at the new calibration curve, it is not very useful for dates in the historical period; it is too smooth in the short-term and does not match the known wiggles. It very closely fits the standard curve in the long-term and its value is in adding another dataset to improve the calibration for dates beyond 15kya, where there is much more variability in the data.

  Contamination is something that always needs to be reckoned with. It is unlikely that contamination would produce a better, more consistent fit between unrelated independent sources of data; a broad skewing usually brings a dataset out of harmony with the others, and outliers otherwise caused by contamination are minimized through sample replication from multiple sample points.
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  Epimenides paradox: "Epimenides The Cretan Says, "All Cretans are Liars"

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  thomas fowler (1869) states the paradox as follows: "epimenides the cretan says, 'that all the cretans are liars,' but epimenides is himself a cretan; therefore he is himself a liar.

  but if he be a liar, what he says is untrue, and consequently the cretans are veracious; but epimenides is a cretan, and therefore what he says is true; saying the cretans are liars, epimenides is himself a liar, and what he says is untrue.

  thus we may go on alternately proving that epimenides and the cretans are truthful and untruthful."[1].

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  Leolaia

  james_woods....In recent news: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22336-quantum-measurements-leave-schrodingers-cat-alive.html
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  Fire Tower Example in latest WT

  by konceptual99 in

  1. watchtower
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  so the latest wt has a box about the witnesses and false predictions.

  there is an example of a watchman in a fire tower who sees a wisp of smoke on the horizon which turns out to ba false alarm yet his alertness could later save lives.. the difference is that the wt is not just highlighting a wisp of smoke.

  they are predictingwhen the fire will arrive on the basis of prophecy and setting expectations of imminent fulfilment.

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  Leolaia

  Let me modify the illustration to bring it closer in alignment with Watchtower history.

  At 10pm the personnel in the lookout tower observe a number of general signs in the environment: an absence of animal noises, difficulty in seeing stars, a slight increase in nighttime temperature compared to the night before, and a jeep sighted a few hours earlier on one of the roads. The staff surmise that these are positive indications that a fire will happen (animals being afraid of the fire, smoke obscuring the stars, heat from the fire, and a suspected arsonist), and that an arsonist is invisibly present in the forest below. They telephone the firefighters, telling them that there is postively an arsonist in the woods below and within 40 minutes, he will start a fire that will sweep through the whole forest. The plea goes out so that the firefighters will be ready when the fire actually starts.

  Then 40 minutes passes. At 10:40pm everyone waits to see the first signs of smoke. But there is no smoke, no fire. A loud bang however did ring out at 10:39pm. The tower personnel take this as confirming that indeed an arsonist is invisibly present and did indeed start the fire somewhere, invisibly. The firefighters however are more skeptical, thinking someone shot a gun, or a car on a distant road had a backfire. The tower personnel maintain their belief that the fire has already started, and they continue to scan the woods to see any trace of smoke. At 11:45pm, the lead lookout person on duty, the one who made the phone call to the fire suppresion crew, signed off and retired for the night. His replacement was the night shift lookout person, who observed the preceding events. As soon as he starts duty, he rings the firefighters to tell them that the fire which started at 10:40pm will in fact blaze forth at midnight. He then made about 20 phone calls in the next ten minutes to the governor, the three major TV networks, NPR, and every other media person he had a number for. A swarm of news choppers surrounded the tower, prepared to give live news coverage of the fire when it blazes forth. At midnight, nothing happens.

  Without even waiting to see if anything happens, the night watcher called the firefighters and told them confidently that there never was any arsonist around at 10pm; it was the loud bang at 10:39pm that indicated that the arsonist was invisibly present. He refused to say when the fire would actually start, but he assured everyone that it will happen before his shift was over.

  At 6am, he signed off and went home.

  The morning shift took over and called the annoyed firefighters, telling them that they now confidently expect that the fire will start at 8pm later that evening.

  Meanwhile, the morning shift was interviewed by the media over the decable and they state that earlier people on duty were mistaken but should be commended for their good intentions in being alert. They also specifically denied that there ever was any statement that the arsonist was present at 10pm; they insisted that they have always expected that the arsonist would arrive around 10:40pm.

  The day passes uneventfully. And nothing happens at 8pm.

  But the night is still warm and no animals were heard in the distance. The arsonist, the tower staff noted, must be very close.
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  Help With Bible Chronology Please

  by Yan Bibiyan in

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  my question revolves around prophecies.. believers will claim that one of the sure signs of the divinity of the bible is that it predicts events hundreds/thousands of years before the events actually occuring.. from a more pragmatic viewpoint, a prophecy is a prophecy if it was predicted and documented ahead of the events in question.. the oldest known copies of biblical texts aare the death sea scrolls, dated from what i understand somewhere between 200bc-100 bc.. is there anything in the scrolls (not other books of the bible, but in the few biblical texts in the actual scrolls) that points to historically confirmed events postdating the scrolls?.

  in other words, are there biblical prophecies written on paper (or whatever medium) that:.

  a. can be confirmed to have been written prior to the predicted event - by means of radiological dating or other scientific metod, and.

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  processor.....A very good parody (and I know you love parodies): http://www.qumran.org/js/texts/mrooster.php
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  Epimenides paradox: "Epimenides The Cretan Says, "All Cretans are Liars"

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  thomas fowler (1869) states the paradox as follows: "epimenides the cretan says, 'that all the cretans are liars,' but epimenides is himself a cretan; therefore he is himself a liar.

  but if he be a liar, what he says is untrue, and consequently the cretans are veracious; but epimenides is a cretan, and therefore what he says is true; saying the cretans are liars, epimenides is himself a liar, and what he says is untrue.

  thus we may go on alternately proving that epimenides and the cretans are truthful and untruthful."[1].

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  Maybe. I hate those danged C++ logical errors, btw.
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  Iesous Xristo real name, not Jesus

  by Jaime l de Aragon in

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  translators destroyed the names iesous xristos.

  hebrews 13:8 ihsouv {iesous} cristov {xristos} cqev {yesterday} kai {and} shmeron {today} o {the} autov {mismo,} kai {y} eiv {by} touv {the} aiwnav {ages}.

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  Leolaia

  None of that has anything to do with theos.

  And again the etymology pertains to a shared ancestry from PIE. Sanskrit Dyaus pitar similarly does not derive from Greek Zeus. The Sanskrit, Greek, and Latin words derive from a common source, PIE. And PIE had a word for "god", *deiwos. Whence Latin deus.

  Again, none of that has anything to do with theos and what you claim is that theos did NOT mean "god", which is patently false.