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Tribute to Kim Clijsters

by Leolaia in

today is kim clijsters' birthday and a month ago she announced her retirement from tennis.

i remember the week she was born very well.

i have watched tennis since the late '70s, and i remember when billie jean king was a star, when jimmy connors was a hot new thing, and when "virginia slims" matches were shown on wtbs.

Leolaia

It was a great run! Clijsters will be missed!!

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Which websites do you go to for your NEWS?

by ThomasCovenant in

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i go to the following every day.

bbc news http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ .

cnn international http://edition.cnn.com/ .

GB will do your research for you, just sit back and absorb

by irondork in

i know a statement like this has appeared in the literature but i cannot find it.

searching this forum, i am unable to find a conversation on it.. .

it's out there somewhere.

Leolaia

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/142137/1/A-rhetorical-analysis-of-the-Sept-KM-Question-Box

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Truly I say to you, Amen I say to you, Inferences from a Gospel manner of speech

by kepler in

in another topic changes in the nwt, one of the correspondents posted that.

concerning the comma in luke 23:43, http://www.dtl.org/alt/comments/today.htmhas some interesting comments.. .

to summarize what was stated at this website, the translator selected a translation for luke 23:43. .

I listed in my OP references to the NWT-like parsing in Greek sources. Note that mostly these are references to how others parse the text and the comments are either critical of this parsing or presume the majority parsing as the default. The possible indication of parsing in the Codex Vaticanus is new to me. If it is a legitimate instance of punctuation, then possibly we might include B among the exemplars of the "Truly I say to you today" parsing. As mentioned before, D has a "Today you will be with me in paradise" parsing. I don't know anything about conventions of punctuation in uncial codices, so I would like to see some specialists weighing in on this, as it is unclear to me whether this mark is a blot or conforms to scribal practice. This discussion by Wieland Willker seems negative but inconclusive: http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/TCG/prob/Lk-23-43-B.pdf. A negative opinion is obtained here (possibly the same person?): http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-greek/2001-June/017146.html. As for as Greg Stafford's views, this appears to be a more recent paper on the subject: http://www.elihubooks.com/data/topical_index/000/000/315/EOP_3_Punctuation_in_early_Greek_NT_texts_Stafford.pdf.

Here are the three Syriac texts:

I marked in yellow the word yawmana "today", and in the Sinaitic and Peshitta it is preceded by a dolat (red arrow) which represents a prefix which has a meaning similar to "that" or "what", i.e. "Truly I tell you that today ...." The Curetonian text, on the other hand, has that dolat prefixed to the subsequent word `ami "with", i.e. "Truly I tell you today that with me ...."

I don't really have anything to say about Revelation....it's not really relevant imo. There is some connection with synoptic logia, but it doesn't really attempt to represent the actual voice of Jesus of Nazareth; the author here is relating a visionary experience of the heavenly glorified Son of God, and thus draws considerably on apocalyptic stylistic motifs (with a heavy dependence on OT language).

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ABOUT TERRY

by Quentin in

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terry was admitted to the hospital yesterday.

he has a severe case of cellulites which has affected his neck glands.

his face and neck are very swollen.

Leolaia

Terry,

What an ordeal! :( That was a really fast-moving infection; I hope the antibiotics eliminate the infection and things will soon get back to normal.

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Jesus ransom sacrifice ! ? For a dying man Adam ? and his offspring ?

by smiddy in

i thought this deserved a thread of it`s own.. these questions are inspired by previous posts , feel free to take credit for bringing it up guys.. adam and eve were expelled from the garden of eden before they had opportunity, or approval to eat from the tree of life , therefore as " perfect" ?

human beings living in the garden of eden and not partaking of the tree of life they would have eventually died.. so when they were expelled from the garden of eden they were in a dying state .

(is that perfection ?

Leolaia

transhuman....Wikipedia is wrong. Adam as a PN did not begin with the LXX. Although the first human was called ha-'adam "the human" in the Eden narrative and the Cain narrative (both J), 'adam appears anarthrously as a PN in J's genealogical fragment in Genesis 4:25, P's genealogy in Genesis 5:1, 3-5, and the Chronicler's genealogy in 1 Chronicles 1:1.

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Jesus ransom sacrifice ! ? For a dying man Adam ? and his offspring ?

by smiddy in

i thought this deserved a thread of it`s own.. these questions are inspired by previous posts , feel free to take credit for bringing it up guys.. adam and eve were expelled from the garden of eden before they had opportunity, or approval to eat from the tree of life , therefore as " perfect" ?

human beings living in the garden of eden and not partaking of the tree of life they would have eventually died.. so when they were expelled from the garden of eden they were in a dying state .

(is that perfection ?

Leolaia

1 Corinthians 15: 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

Oh Paul....You shouldn't take your imagination so seriously, dude.

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Truly I say to you, Amen I say to you, Inferences from a Gospel manner of speech

by kepler in

in another topic changes in the nwt, one of the correspondents posted that.

concerning the comma in luke 23:43, http://www.dtl.org/alt/comments/today.htmhas some interesting comments.. .

to summarize what was stated at this website, the translator selected a translation for luke 23:43. .

Leolaia

kepler....It's just that one version, the Curetonian Old Syriac. All the other references I listed aren't translations; they are all written in Greek.

I'm looking more generally in the TLG and LLT for how Luke 23:43 was quoted. Here are more examples of the majority parsing in the Greek and Latin fathers:

(1) hama tè exodò en tò paradeisò emellen esesthai thou theou, kata to, sèmeron met 'emou esè en tò paradeisò tou theou (Origen, Commentarii in Evangelium Joannis, 32.32.395), (2) kai ho Khristos tòn duo lèstòn ton hena eis tèn basileian eisègage, sèmeron met 'emou esè en tò paradeisò (Asterius, Commentarii in Psalmos, 11.7.15), (3) legei pros auton ho Sòtèr, sèmeron met 'emou esè en tò paradeisò (Joannes Chrysostomus, De Paenitentia, 49.339.38), (4) ou legei autò, sèmeron met 'emou esè en tò ouranò, alla, sèmeron met 'emou esè en tò paradeisò (Joannes Chrysostomus, In Sancta Lumina Sive in Baptismum et in Tentationem, 6.2.44), (5) amelei goun kai tò lèstè eipen, sèmeron met 'emou esè en tò paradeisò (Didymsus Caecus, In Genesim 110.13), (6) audiet dicentem dominum tamquam latroni illi a scelere ad confessionem et ad fidem a latrocinio reuertenti: hodie me cum eris in paradiso (Ambrose, De Paradiso 11.53.19), (7) clamauit latroni: hodie me cum eris in paradiso (Ambrose, Expositio Evangelii Secundum Lucam, 10.1067), (8) kai ho sòtèr phèsi, sèmeron met 'emou esè en tò paradeisò (Epiphanius, Ancoratus 54.7.5), (9) skholion οβ, parekopse to, sèmeron met 'emou esè en tò paradeisò (Epiphanius, Panarion 2.153.1), (10) tò lèstè pòs elege, sèmeron met 'emou esè en tò paradeisò (Ephraem Syrus, Sermo in Transfigurationem Domini, 27.8), (11) eipen ho kurios to lèstè, sèmeron met 'emou esè en tò paradeisò (Ephraem Syrus, Quomodo Latro Ante Resurrectionem, 10), (12) eipen to lèstè, sèmeron met 'emou esè en tò paradeisò (Amphilochius, In Zacchaeum, 8.189), (13) de latrone etiam cui dictum est: hodie me cum eris in paradiso (Augustine, Retractionum Libri Duo, 2.55.45), (14) ergo secundum uerbi personam ait, hodie me cum eris in paradiso (Augustine, Sermones 53A.634.26), (15) postquam autem ille pependit in cruce et locutus est ad latronem: hodie me cum eris in paradiso (Jerome, Commentarii in Ezechielem, 13.44.1132), (16) sanguis christi clauis paradisi est dicentis ad latronem: hodie me cum eris in paradiso (Jerome, Epistulae 129.2.4),

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Jesus ransom sacrifice ! ? For a dying man Adam ? and his offspring ?

by smiddy in

i thought this deserved a thread of it`s own.. these questions are inspired by previous posts , feel free to take credit for bringing it up guys.. adam and eve were expelled from the garden of eden before they had opportunity, or approval to eat from the tree of life , therefore as " perfect" ?

human beings living in the garden of eden and not partaking of the tree of life they would have eventually died.. so when they were expelled from the garden of eden they were in a dying state .

(is that perfection ?

Leolaia

Paul thought up the idea of the 'ransom sacrifice'

There's no such thing as a "ransom sacrifice" in the Bible. This is a conflation of separate concepts, like "paradise earth" or "great crowd of other sheep".

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Jehovah's Witnesses and Acts 2:17

by biometrics in

does anyone know how jehovah's witness explain away acts 2:17 is:.

acts 2:17 - in the last days, god says, i will pour out my spirit on all people.

your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.. they admit we are living in the 'last days', yet they don't seem to have young men with visions or old men dreaming dreams (at least not inspired ones).. .

Leolaia

That was a scripture that turned on the light bulb for me when I was still in.

How could the "last days" start in 1914 if they had started already in the first century, as clearly stated in the scripture; have the "last days" been going on for two thousand years, how can that very long period (longer than the Jews and Israelites existed as a people prior to Jesus) be at all called "the last days".