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Leolaia
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Watchtower's Weirdest Photograph?
by Marvin Shilmer inwatchtower's weirdest photograph?.
you wont believe it when you see it.
and is available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/10/watchtowers-weirdest-photograph.html.
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The Watchtower and the Masons
by ozziepost inthe latest edition of the free in christ ministries journal contains a very interesting article entitled the watchtower and masons.. drawing upon material from the book the watchtower & the masons by fritz springmeier, it gives the following parallels between the things that c t russell believed and those taught by the masons:.
* both believe jehovah is the most important word being the basis of their dogma, and the name of their god.
* both believe god yielded power to a lesser god.
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Leolaia
The Illuminati operating within the Watchtower Society use the Enochian Language which has its own language and its own Enochian alphabet (letters in boxes). According to eyewitnesses who have left the J.W. part of the Illuminati, the Enochian alphabet is known and used as the cult language by those Illuminati operating in the high levels of the Watchtower Society. In other words, their ceremonies are done in this ritual Enochian language.
LOL, what bullshit.
Can anyone confirm Springmeier's claim (below in bold)? Do gnostics engage in this?
I've never heard of such a "gnostic" ceremony. The current form of the Memorial is a historical accident, the product of Rutherford's attempt to siphon off new converts into a secondary class (the Jonadabs) and then demographic changes from the 1930s to the present. When the Jonadab class was created in the early 1930s, the vast majority of JWs partook of the sacraments, er, emblems. Rutherford had no idea Armageddon would take so long in coming, with the passage of many decades making the "great crowd" outnumber the "anointed" until the latter became a tiny minority.
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Paradise 101
by Unbrainwashed publisher1 inwhy didn't early apostles and christians speak of living forever on earth and growing to physical perfection if this was jehovah's plan all along for one of the two groups?.
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Leolaia
Why didn't early apostles and Christians speak of living forever on earth and growing to physical perfection
They were not Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Watchtower's Weirdest Photograph?
by Marvin Shilmer inwatchtower's weirdest photograph?.
you wont believe it when you see it.
and is available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/10/watchtowers-weirdest-photograph.html.
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Leolaia
Didn't post.
As mentioned before, there wasn't a custom to smile yet. Here is Luie away from Bethel:
Similar dour look.
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The Man Who Saved the World - October 27, 1962 (bet U never heard of him)
by fulltimestudent inoctober 27, 1962. a soviet submarine was being bombed with depth charges by us warships who had detected the submarines presence in waters off cuba.. in the emergency the soviet submarine captain ordered a torpedo attack on the american warships.
problem was, the torpedo's were fitted with nuclear warheads.
the submarine could not contact moscow for authorisation.
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Leolaia
That was on October 27.
Over the next week, after the Cuban Missile crisis ended, there were four more close calls the first week of November.
Another lesson of "It ain't over till it's over".
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Can you list watchtower articles that claim anything from the 'faithful slave' should be taken as from jehovah himself?
by EndofMysteries injust a few wts that put to the effect anything from them should be taken as from jehovah himself and also with elders or being disfellowshipped, that it means jehovah himself is angry with them, that's it's punishment from him.
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Leolaia
This is my take on the 1942 prediction:
First of all, the claim made in 1942 that the Allies may win WWII is an about face of what was taught as recently as December 1941. The Watchtower, edited by Joseph Rutherford, published a lengthy series of articles (entitled "Demon Rule Ending") that autumn interpreting the "King of the North" vision from Daniel as a window into what lies in the near future. In these articles, the author (whether Rutherford or Fred Franz) foretold that the neither Axis nor Allied Powers would win the war in victory but that both sides would form, with the totalitarian Axis Powers taking the dominant role, an armistice leading to a "new League of Nations" through which the cry of "peace and security!" would call forth. Through these events, all nations would become totalitarian states like the Axis Powers. This draws on the declaration made by the Axis Powers in November 1940 to establish a "new League of Nations" when the war is finished. Rutherford moreover had been teaching since 1938 (in Face the Facts) that the Axis powers would succeed in obtaining Great Britain and the USA, and for an even longer time the Golden Age published articles on how the totalitarians were in the process of destroying the American government and replacing it with totalitarianism. All of these are mistaken predictions, if not "false prophecy". And the idea that the "abomination of desolation" will be realized by a "new League of Nations" was already in place, as expressed in the 15 December 1941 Watchtower (p. 373), which also connected this coming organization with the "beast" of Revelation 17:3-7.
Then two things happened in January 1942. One, Rutherford died and Nathan Knorr took control of the Watchtower Society. Two, the Allied Powers declared their intent via the Atlantic Charter to establish a "United Nations" for maintaining peace between nations after the war has ended. That spring, the Watchtower was full of articles emphasizing the closeness of Armageddon: "Armageddon is very near....Now we are near the FINAL END of the 'time of the end' ... Armageddon swiftly approaching ... Armageddon, now near ... The final gathering by the Lord is on ... The time is short" (1 February 1942, pp. 37-45), "Armageddon is at hand" (1 March 1942, p. 80), "Now with Armageddon immediately before us ... The world emergency with Armageddon at the door is the very time to most anxiously keep God's law and obey him" (1 May 1942, pp. 139-142), etc. I doubt statements like these from 1942 are emphasized today in the summer convention talks. Then in the 15 May 1942 issue of the Watchtower, the author wrote that the setting up of the abomination of desolation, which has been going on since 1919 (when the original League of Nations was formed), but which will be given definitive form in a totalitarian "new world order" is "a sure sign of the nearness of Armageddon" (p. 153). The same article also backpedaled on the earlier belief that the Axis Powers would hold the upper hand in ending the war. Now it is claimed that the Axis Powers may well be forced to compromise with the Allies: "[The Pope] wants to save something of advantage out of any possible failure of his scheme for world domination. He is willing to compromise with the anti-Axis forces should they gain military victory. While so doing he can try to shield his totalitarian puppets against total ruin and undoing" (Ibid.).
The emerging view on the post-war period was expounded in September 1942, both in a 1 September 1942 Watchtower and at the Peace -- Can It Last? talk at the annual convention. The idea that the war would end in a peace pact goes back to the 1941 view, but Knorr no longer claimed that the war would end without a definitive victory for either side. It was now implied that the Allied Powers would attain victory, as it is their United Nations (as opposed to the Axis Powers' "New League of Nations") that would administer the post-war period as the "beast" that comes out of the abyss of inactivity. But in claiming that this understanding was obtained "by Jehovah's unerring spirit" (as stated in the 15 July 1960 Watchtower), the Society omits some important details about how Knorr conceptualized this post-war United Nations. First of all, Knorr conceived of the United Nations as a powerful organization that will run the affairs of the world. The Vatican would hold the UN together, "as a supranational power over the postwar confederacy of nations", and the Vatican would place armies all over the world that would keep the peace as a powerful international police force. This would be set up very quickly after the cessation of hostilities, for sudden destruction would follow after the declaration of "peace and destruction". And this leads to the second fact, which is that Knorr construed the post-war period as very, very short. In the 1 September 1942 Watchtower, it was published that "the 'battle of that great day of God Almighty' will break out suddenly upon the postwar builders when they think they can cry out, 'Peace and safety' " and that "man's postwar arrangement will not survive the battle of Armageddon" (p. 259). The Kingdom News of April 1943 similarly stated that "When the postwar builders cry 'Peace and safety!' then will break forth the battle and will destroy this old world" (p. 2). The 1943 booklet Fighting For Liberty on the Home Front made this prediction of the near future:
"Despite all declared aims and slogans of the United Nations, this curb against the free spreading of the truth will not stop with the end of the global war. God Almighty's own Word for it is that the opposition to Bible Christianity will not weaken in the postwar period, but will persist and strengthen. At the last it will bring the nations to the climax, the battle of Armageddon. For this reason, when the postwar builders get their political, commercial, religious structure erected and operating and begin to cry "Peace and Safety!" it will not mean a peace with the truth about Jehovah's Theocratic Government under his Christ. Therefore it will not mean a peace with or from Jehovah God. Suddenly complete destruction from God and by Christ will come upon the whole postwar arrangement, and organized religion will go down first. God's Word says so" (pp. 28-29).
Then when the war seemed very close to a finish in 1944, the Watchtower continued to stress the extreme closeness of Armageddon. The 1 March 1944 Watchtower referred to "this time immediately before Armageddon's war" (p. 77), and the 1 May 1944 Watchtower stated that "the day of Armageddon is very near ... This is the time of great emergency because the battle of Armageddon is very near" (pp. 141-142). The 1944 booklet Religion Reaps the Whirlwind declares that "that terrific whirlwind of annihilation is drawing near according to all the weather signals of God's Word" (p. 59-60). The rhetoric became even more intense after V-E Day (8 May 1945). In a talk delivered on 10 June 1945, Knorr urged: "There is no longer any time to wait, for the Kingdom of God is here! ... It is a day of decision, and its precious hours of opportunity are remorselessly ticking out. The zero hour for the final war of Amageddon is undelayably coming on" (The Commander to the Peoples, pp. 21-23). He continued by pointing to the United Nations plan drawn up in the Dumbarton Oaks Conference in 1944 and the 1945 San Francisco Conference as "the final total lineup of this old world against Jehovah's universal domination ... It is the time for the battle of Armageddon" (pp. 26-28).
So if Knorr actually predicted anything, it is this: The war would end with a peace treaty with the United Nations in charge of a global government orchestrated behind the scenes by the Vatican. The UN would be established very quickly through the placing of totalitarian armies around the world to keep the peace, and it would set to work immediately on banning Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the world. Then it would declare "Peace and safety!", the war is now over, but almost as quickly as the postwar period starts, the democratic powers discover that the Vatican is really running the show and they take action against the Pope and the Vatican, destroying the institution altogether. Then almost instantly, all the governments of the world undergo destruction themselves and billions of people are killed directly by God.
Now, I might not have the history quite right, but does anyone recall anything like this actually happening in 1945 and 1946?
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Its sad how Americans think they are the center of the world regarding Sandy...
by mP inthe storm was much more intense and killed many more in the caribbean and yet i see practically nothing mentioned about them here or in the media.. .
pathetic..
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Leolaia
100+ dead in US; about 60 in Carribbean.
And climbing.
Im sure many Americans are having a hard time, but lets keep some perspective, they have it easy compared to smaller poor islands south.
Have it easy? Srsly?
BTW, those to the north with destroyed homes have colder temperatures, and another storm is on its way.
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Star Wars Episode VII
by Las Malvinas son Argentinas init's happening!.
disney compra lucasfilm y fija 2015 para el estreno de 'star wars: episode vii'!.
http://www.elseptimoarte.net/bombazo-disney-compra-lucasfilm-y-fija-2015-para-el-estreno-de--star-wars-episode-vii--15973.html.
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Leolaia
Was that supposed to go into the Voltaire thread?
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Star Wars Episode VII
by Las Malvinas son Argentinas init's happening!.
disney compra lucasfilm y fija 2015 para el estreno de 'star wars: episode vii'!.
http://www.elseptimoarte.net/bombazo-disney-compra-lucasfilm-y-fija-2015-para-el-estreno-de--star-wars-episode-vii--15973.html.
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Leolaia
I was kind of wondering....why not do a reboot? They did that with Batman and Spiderman. Schumacher ruined the Batman series with the awful Batman Forever and Batman and Robin; a reboot wiped the slate clean.
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John 3:16 & Exercise Faith
by turtleturtle ini was trying to find a wt publication that specifically addresses why john 3:16 is translated "exercise faith" in the nwt.
i have searched the wt cdrom, but cannot find anything.
can anyone please give me the wt references that address why john 3:16 is translated this way?.
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Leolaia
The Society states regarding the translation of the words in question:
*** w90 12/1 p. 30 Questions From Readers ***
Often, the different shades of meaning of pi·steu′o must be discerned from the context. At times, though, different grammatical constructions help us to see what the writer had in mind. For example, if pi·steu′o is followed merely by a noun in the dative case, the New World Translation usually renders it simply as “believe”—unless the context indicates something different. (Matthew 21:25, 32; but see Romans 4:3.) If pi·steu′o is followed by the word e·pi′, “on,” it is generally rendered “believe on.” (Matthew 27:42; Acts 16:31) If it is followed by eis, “to,” it is usually translated “exercise faith in.”—John 12:36; 14:1.
This latter rendering (which reminds us that pi·steu′o is related to the Greek word pi′stis, “faith”) is in harmony with a comment in An Introductory Grammar of New Testament Greek, by Paul Kaufman. This work says: “Another construction which is common in the New Testament (especially in John’s Gospel) is πιστευω [pi·steu′o] with εις [eis] and the accusative case . . . The whole construction of εις plus the accusative must be translated rather than attempting to translate the preposition εις as an isolated word. Faith is thought of as an activity, as something men do, i.e. putting faith into someone.”But why "exercise faith in" instead of "trust in" or "place trust in"? The latter gets at the subtle nuance and construes belief as an activity. The former is an overtranslation that adds further nuances. Exercise implies effort. One must exert oneself. And that exertion would involve other actions one would do in order to exercise faith. And those acts must continually be performed. This facilitates an interpretation that replaces faith with works (specifically, the preaching work):
*** km 5/70 p. 1 par. 2 Being Well-Pleasing to God ***
Accordingly, to have Jehovah’s favor and approval on ourselves and our families, and to expect our ministerial work to prosper, we must exercise faith—faith in the leadership of our Lord Jesus Christ, whom Jehovah sent forth. This faith will impel us to do the same work that Jesus did. He had faith in his Father, knowing that God was with him. Jehovah and Jesus Christ are more interested than we are in ourselves and in the Kingdom interests we are caring for. Consequently, we can be sure that God will prosper our work that is done in faith.
*** g75 11/8 p. 28 How Can You Be Saved? ***
Thus, once you are in the way of salvation, exert yourself to stay in it. You cannot earn salvation by works; faith is what is needed. (Rom. 3:10-12; Gal. 3:11) But you do need to exercise your faith by practical works that give proof of it. (Jas. 2:14-17, 26) That is what the apostles did. They especially gave emphasis to the preaching work that Jesus commanded be done by Christians.
*** w76 12/15 p. 760 pars. 22-23 Gain the Promised Eternal Life—Exercise Faith! ***
In order to enter into the fulfillment of God's promise we must possess life; we need to have our souls preserved alive. We can gain that prize of life solely by a sustained faith. We eagerly desire to enjoy God’s fulfilled promise eternally. Away, then, with any thought or inclination to shrink back in fear and in unbelief! Faith is what we will exercise along with works in proof! In reward for that, Jehovah God the Life-Giver will preserve our souls alive forever.—1 John 2:25.Without fail, therefore, the "God who supplies endurance" will fulfill his promise to the faithfully enduring doers of his will. (Rom. 15:5) Joyfully he will usher us into the eternal blessings and privileges of his long-promised kingdom by his Son Jesus Christ. Thus, not in vain shall we have preached this kingdom "in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations" before "the end" came.—Matt. 24:14.
*** w83 10/1 p. 14 par. 3 Millions Get Ready for Uninterrupted Life on Earth ***
To people now living on earth, the reigning King Jesus Christ becomes "the life" due to the fact that they exercise faith in him, this faith being proved by works. During this "conclusion of the system of things," these works would include taking an active part in the fulfillment of Jesus' prophecy at Matthew 24:14 to preach the good news of God’s Kingdom before "the end" of the system comes. (Matthew 24:3; Mark 13:3, 4) The exercisers of faith who survive the end of the current system of things and who look forward to life in Paradise restored will never need to die at all. (1 John 2:17)*** w05 5/1 p. 29 Questions From Readers ***
Many scriptures show that to be saved, a person must come to know Jehovah, believe in Jesus, and exercise faith, demonstrating that faith by works.All of this goes very far from the sense of trusting in someone. The overtranslation of "believe/trust in" as "exercise faith in" also combines with the overtranslation of "knowing" as "putting in knowledge" and "declaring" as "making public declaration". All of that is interpreted as pertaining to the preaching work. The overtranslations exist because they facilitate a certain desired soteriology, which goes beyond having a personal dedication and commitment to Jesus.
